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#1 Posted : 28 February 2013 12:57:51(UTC)
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Bankia we are told is a symbol of the Spanish housing and credit crisis. The group was formed in the wake of the financial crisis from seven troubled savings banks - and then evolved into a national nightmare.

And what is a national nightmare today, could become – and most likely already has become – a European nightmare. But then, RBS hasn't done so very much better, declaring a loss of £5.2 billion, although it has managed to keep the pot of gold open, with £600 million bonus payments.

The EU, therefore, has delivered itself something of a publicity coup with its proposals to cap bankers' bonuses - although I defy anyone to show me where, in the legislative proposals, where this appears, much less in the European Parliament response.


Read here... http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83663

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#2 Posted : 28 February 2013 13:46:41(UTC)
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Those two wonky bank buildings in Spain are ideal illustrations of hubris.

As well as poor bank performance Spain is currently rumbling along a path of corruption in politics, construction and finance.

Spain grumbles as king's son-in-law appears in court

Swiss bank account adds twist to Spain corruption scandal


"It is a while since I used the catch phrase: "and the reason we should not rise up and slaughter them is?" Answers on a postcard please … but I suspect the Post Office will not get rich on the proceeds."

They will end up in our burgers.
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#3 Posted : 28 February 2013 13:49:26(UTC)
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... "and the reason we should not rise up and slaughter them is?"

They will end up in our burgers.



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#4 Posted : 28 February 2013 13:54:36(UTC)
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Well, I see the UK is even helping corrupt our ketchup in West Pondia:
Heinz Case May Involve a Side Bet in London
Wonder who the players are. And if Mere Citizens will ever be told...
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Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
Well, I see the UK is even helping corrupt our ketchup in West Pondia:
Heinz Case May Involve a Side Bet in London
Wonder who the players are. And if Mere Citizens will ever be told...




There is a huge problem here ... as the financial system becomes globalised, and more complex, the opportunities for fraud magnify. Why would one bother to rob a bank? The best thing is to work for one and rob the public.

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#6 Posted : 28 February 2013 14:29:13(UTC)
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Well, I see the UK is even helping corrupt our ketchup in West Pondia:
Heinz Case May Involve a Side Bet in London
Wonder who the players are. And if Mere Citizens will ever be told...



Will there ever be a headline involving Goldman Sachs and moral propriety?


Don't hold yer breath....................


The world is spinning out of control, no, the financial markets are spinning the world.


We need a crash really, we need to start again.


Over to the EZ.
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#7 Posted : 28 February 2013 14:33:01(UTC)
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I was just musing the other day about Bankia - how apt is the design of its headquarters.


A little off the perpendicular or Bent and at that - doubly bent.
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#8 Posted : 28 February 2013 16:47:34(UTC)
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The EU, therefore, has delivered itself something of a publicity coup with its proposals to cap bankers' bonuses - although I defy anyone to show me where, in the legislative proposals, where this appears, much less in the European Parliament response.


Can't find it either,but is must be in there as many are commenting on it.

Quote:
Robin Chater, Secretary General of the FedEE, said the “action is beyond the powers vested in the European Union under the EU Treaty. Article 153 (5) of the Treaty clearly states that EU legislative powers shall not apply to pay. Furthermore, even if the Council’s powers were not challenged in this matter financial institutions would remain free to increase base salaries to reward and retain key staff.”


http://www.telegraph.co....-and-self-defeating.html

So you may be right it may not even be an EU competence.They are just chancing their arms.



From the amount of proposals I think it is clear remuneration is a very small part of the picture.Bonuses are a symptom not the cause of the crisis in my view anyway,which was way too much leverage and not enough capital buffers.The main point of all these proposals is what should constitute bank "capital" and how liquid that capital should be,which gets very technical and boring unless you are a banker.I doubt any journalist would wade through that lot so they pick the populist headlines.

There has been a bit of a war going on between the US and EU about what can and can't be included as capital reserves The banks obviously want less so they can carry on as normal,the governments generally want that too so they can start lending again,but are concerned about letting the banks of the leash again(quite rightly).

The US,French and Germans all want specific exceptions to allow their banks to survive Basel rules,its a bit of a bun fight as all their banks are technically insolvent anyway and will die a death of a 1000 cuts,just depends how you want to fiddle your books until then.

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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
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Well, I see the UK is even helping corrupt our ketchup in West Pondia:
Heinz Case May Involve a Side Bet in London
Wonder who the players are. And if Mere Citizens will ever be told...



Will there ever be a headline involving Goldman Sachs and moral propriety?


Don't hold yer breath....................


The world is spinning out of control, no, the financial markets are spinning the world.


We need a crash really, we need to start again.


Over to the EZ.

We may soon get that, with the recent help from our Italian friends!
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#10 Posted : 28 February 2013 19:09:18(UTC)
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The cracks are spreading with a speed which is growing with apparent exponential rapidity. Wheels are coming off in Greece and in Spain. Italy looks like it will provide a major stumbling block to the EU's insistence on 'continued austerity'.
Yeats said it:-
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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No wonder things are in a mess:

Hail Freedonia!

That's what Google Translate makes of this article.

The Marx in question isn't Karl, it's this one.
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#12 Posted : 01 March 2013 08:33:51(UTC)
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No wonder things are in a mess:

Hail Freedonia!

That's what Google Translate makes of this article.

The Marx in question isn't Karl, it's this one.



BigGrin

Well Harpo,Chico,Zeppo and Groucho could scarcely do any worse running our banks,and we would all get a laugh as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsw9jYU_rJI
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#13 Posted : 01 March 2013 13:43:06(UTC)
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The Pope has gone, with a pension of 3,200 euros ( plus food and lodgings etc. ) BUT !!! with over one billion clients ??? as he is Gods Banker his rewards are just, but if he was a politicians banker ( RBS etc ) his pension would bankrupt Europe

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The Pope has gone, with a pension of 3,200 euros ( plus food and lodgings etc. ) BUT !!! with over one billion clients ??? as he is Gods Banker his rewards are just, but if he was a politicians banker ( RBS etc ) his pension would bankrupt Europe


Right, Ive been to the Vatican and seen the stuff they have in there,it is priceless.If they sold it off they could eradicate poverty in the 3rd world.....what would Jesus do?
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The Pope has gone, with a pension of 3,200 euros ( plus food and lodgings etc. ) BUT !!! with over one billion clients ??? as he is Gods Banker his rewards are just, but if he was a politicians banker ( RBS etc ) his pension would bankrupt Europe


Right, Ive been to the Vatican and seen the stuff they have in there,it is priceless.If they sold it off they could eradicate poverty in the 3rd world.....what would Jesus do?




Would throwing money at the Third World eradicate poverty?

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The Pope has gone, with a pension of 3,200 euros ( plus food and lodgings etc. ) BUT !!! with over one billion clients ??? as he is Gods Banker his rewards are just, but if he was a politicians banker ( RBS etc ) his pension would bankrupt Europe


Right, Ive been to the Vatican and seen the stuff they have in there,it is priceless.If they sold it off they could eradicate poverty in the 3rd world.....what would Jesus do?




Would throwing money at the Third World eradicate poverty?



No.But they certainly could help many who suffer from poverty.The point was the Catholic Church does not practice what it preaches.
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I am of the belief that the third world would be much better off without the help from the"league of mothers" etc. ( green mentality)
How, I ask all, can (example ) a clothing factory survive in say Cameroon, if Oxfam is giving clothes away for free ?????
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The Pope has gone, with a pension of 3,200 euros ( plus food and lodgings etc. ) BUT !!! with over one billion clients ??? as he is Gods Banker his rewards are just, but if he was a politicians banker ( RBS etc ) his pension would bankrupt Europe


Right, Ive been to the Vatican and seen the stuff they have in there,it is priceless.If they sold it off they could eradicate poverty in the 3rd world.....what would Jesus do?




Would throwing money at the Third World eradicate poverty?



No.But they certainly could help many who suffer from poverty.The point was the Catholic Church does not practice what it preaches.


Leave the riches of the Vatican alone, after 2000 plus years of thieves, wars, and con men, it is in very, very safe hands, besides, as a tourist, I do not fancy going to the darkest of Africa to see what is now in relative safety, and if you want to preach {quote} God helps those that help themselves, {unquote} the third world would do well to take its hand out of others pockets and put there heads down and arses up ( Work )
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Leave the riches of the Vatican alone, after 2000 plus years of thieves, wars, and con men, it is in very, very safe hands, besides, as a tourist, I do not fancy going to the darkest of Africa to see what is now in relative safety, and if you want to preach {quote} God helps those that help themselves, {unquote} the third world would do well to take its hand out of others pockets and put there heads down and arses up ( Work )


"Safe hands?"...more like sticky fingersBigGrin

It has accumulating quite a vast wealth over 2000 years,not really in in keeping with the Apostolic tradition of poverty though.I have read Ratzingers "Jesus of Nazareth: From the Baptism in the Jordan to the Transfiguration",and it is a great pity The Vatican does not take up his own philosphy.He was in great awe of Francis of Assisi, who he praised for giving up all his considerable wealth to live a life of poverty helping others.Not that I blame the Pope personally, he is a victim of the institution as much as anyone else.


The Council of Europe does not consider the cardinals fit and proper bankers either.The Vatican bank has history with money laundering and tax evasion

http://uk.reuters.com/ar...al-idUKBRE86H1DQ20120718

You really would expect a better example to be set.Flapper


Did Jesus not throw the money lenders out of the Temple?.He most certainly would clear that lot out of the "House of God" in similar fashion.


I also cannot recall Jesus preaching about God "helping those that help themselves"...though the Vatican is very good at helping itself I would agree.He said he just wants everyone to Love God and be kind to one another.I cannot find that particular quote anywhere in the Bible to be honest,though I do like it.It would make a good 11th commandment

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Amen !!
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