With its genius for missing the point, UKIP chose to make its stand on foster carers during the recent Rotherham by-election, instead of the very real problem of Roma immigration in the constituency. But, as we see from a report in today's Die Zeit, we are by no means alone in having to deal with the problem.

The piece features an internal report by the city council of Dortmund on poverty in migrants from Eastern Europe, which finds that, since 2006, the number of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants to the Ruhr increased fivefold. In 2012, 3,149 lived in Dortmund, most of them in overcrowded houses fit only for demolition, paying overpriced rents.

The city speaks of 100 "problem properties" in districts that are already socially difficult. It finds that many Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants have no health insurance, and some suffer from infectious diseases such as tuberculosis.


Read here... http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83642

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We are powerless to prevent the hordes coming - UKIP talks and talks and I not unsympathetic to their thoughts but we cannot do a damned thing about our current plight [stuck as we are in the EU] while the rules are drawn up in Brussels and enacted with glee by our complicit administration - just ask Dave.

We have to get back to small is beautiful and the nation state.


'Make them richer'.......I quite agree, the answer is to bring these countries up to a similar standard of living without the madness and inequities of corporate profiteering through globalisation and statism - of which they were used to, the EU redistribution scheme does not work.


After Romania, Bulgaria, there's only Africa, India and Pakistan/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka and Indo China/China/South America and the rest of the old Soviet empire to deal with, they have mineral and other vast resources - they need advice and help but not financial aid unless the IMF[???] whoever - it must be a international effort involved.

Additionally, then it must be wholly focused on encouragement to help themselves - if we take their doctors and young graduates - that's not helping either country in the long run - we need to train our own kids to do jobs here and the kids from India can train here but go back home to help their own nations to develop.

Impossible dream but individual nation states it must be.

This has always been my contention, bribing other nations top talent is unfair and not the way forward. Indian and other nations top talent are the result of a meritocratic system, the best of the best.
We can't compete with our everyones a winner and gets a certificate mentality. The poblem is the socialists won't let us address it.

The AGW scam, to most it was concern not scam, was started by well intentioned though misguided people. The reason it's gained such momentum is the earning/taxation potential to be gained from it, the reason why it prevails is there is an undescribable amount of money and vested interest now involved in promoting it. It has nothing to do with save the world it's fill the wallet.

I don't think there's any one motivation for it, there are a number which find a common cause:

Part of it came from Greenpeace etc having achieved most of the sensible things they set out to do and being left casting around for reasons to exist.

There's a romantic primitivism. This overlaps with the Peak Oil crowd and optimum population enthusiasts.

There are the rackets. Carbon credits and taxes and the convenience for politicians of keeping the public quiet with a scare.

There's the prospect of state control, which appeals to the Watermelon tendency. The bigger the state the better, so it ties in with the world government idea (which has had a following from well before WWII in some form or other).

Now there are jobs, career structures and empires to be defended. Everything from local government environmental outreach officers on up.

There's this peculiar urge on the part of British politicians to lead the world - always in something expensive and silly.

I'm sure you can think of a few more.


So, there's a confluence of interests, some of them uneasy bedfellows, but all of them with an interest in keeping it going. E.g. Caroline Lucas and the Greens aren't very happy that windmills are lining the pockets of wealthy landowners.

It's spread like a fungal mycelium into eduction, the scientific establishment, the civil service. e.g. Napier, in charge of the Met Office was a leading light in the WWF, pretty much confirming that the MO had been turned into mainly a propaganda operation.

You can see all sorts of aspects to it; a religion, the mania for state control, the dynamics of a scare, a money making scam, going with the herd.

Thanks Comet that what I said only you said it a thousand times better.