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#21 Posted : 05 February 2013 00:30:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cjw1954 Go to Quoted Post
I've seen these metric mix-ups before. It's OK when someone orders the wrong size boxes at work (it was hilarious, actually) - but when someone gives you 10 times the dose of something in hospital it's not so good!

Glad to see they've finally tracked him down. I think he should now go on a nationwide tour before being laid to rest at Middleham Castle.


Yes, they told me at skool that it was going to be soo easy, all I had to do was to move the decimal point one postion.
Yup, you move the decimal point the wrong way you get ten times too much medication or only a tenth of the required dose of medication. Each way it may be bad for your future prospects in hospital.

At least the Imperial system made you calculate numbers in your brain. Quite easy really.

The most expensive screw-up was that satellite that went off course because the Americans thought we would do our calculations in metric so they did their calculations in metric, we though the Americans would do their calculations in Imperial so we did our calculations in Imperial, the result was one lost satellite. Angry Hey ho...

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#22 Posted : 05 February 2013 02:26:11(UTC)
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It's all too hard if one doesn't have a sense of proportion.

Originally Posted by: jaguar driver Go to Quoted Post
Somewhere I have kept a rather old cutting from the front page of the Daily Express of Sept 1994.
It declared that the previous August had been the driest month since records began with a months rainfall of only 6.1m.

I said to myself, 'Oh really, that is about 20 foot of water'.
I presumed they had meant 6.1mm which is 1/4inch of water.
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Another good one was the report of diesel cars producing 150kg of carbon soot every Kilometre.
That computes as 330lbs per half mile. Yep I thought, another newspaper calculation that is impossible to retread back and recalculate.

My diesel car goes 1000km on a tankful. So it's producing 150 tons of soot per tankful; soot, being solid, is made mainly of carbon which can't all come from the 55 litres of diesel, can it? So the rest must come out of the air. Can I claim carbon credits for sequestering 150 tons of carbon; i.e. 44/12*150 => 450 tons of CO2 from the atmosphere? ;-)

Euro-5 (and Euro-6) limits for diesel particulates are 0.005 g/km for cars. Five milligrams per kilometre or 5 kilograms per gigametre; more than the distance the car is likely to drive.

Originally Posted by: jaguar driver Go to Quoted Post

It is easier to speak in Imperial,
Inches is easier that Millimetres
Feet easier than metres
Yards easier than metres,
Miles easier than Kilometres.


What sort of miles are you talking about? The one that's exactly 1609.344 metres? BigGrin

Originally Posted by: jaguar driver Go to Quoted Post
I used to keep as many of these howlers whenever I saw them and used that cutting and others to tease all the metric imbeciles I met.


They are imbeciles regardless of the units of measurement because they lack a sense of proportion. The dimensions/units are only words to them. Sounds. Utterances. They lack the ability to make a physical connection between the language and what the units represent. They have no inherent understanding of what those words mean.

And it is quite often observed, that they also fail to make those connections in other aspects of their talk/writing. What they do is closer to mimicry than attempting to put words to individual thoughts. In the natural world, mimicry is often used as a survival strategy; e.g. to fade into the background or to appear to be "bigger" and thereby evade being eaten.

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#23 Posted : 05 February 2013 02:40:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
Time he was back home in his allotment and six foot of Yorkshire earth, the Minster a fitting resting place for the last Plantagenet King.

Metric, is a pain who the hell thinks in litres in the pub?


Pints are for girls. Litres for men. BigGrin

Oktoberfest used to be so popular... but by crikey; the price of beer on the Wiesn also has no sense of proportion.
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#24 Posted : 05 February 2013 11:01:36(UTC)
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Of course people have trouble with metric. Being of French origin, it is completely conceptual and bears no relation to the real world. Where as the Imperial measurement system is based entirely on the world around us, and is hence far superior. Even a dim sub-editor would have clocked that 6800 or so yards was not on.

Ban metric. Reinstate Imperial and use it to teach kids maths. Poles. Perchs. Chains. Furlongs. You know it makes sense.
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#25 Posted : 05 February 2013 11:52:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jeremy Poynton Go to Quoted Post
Of course people have trouble with metric. Being of French origin, it is completely conceptual and bears no relation to the real world. Where as the Imperial measurement system is based entirely on the world around us, and is hence far superior. Even a dim sub-editor would have clocked that 6800 or so yards was not on.

Ban metric. Reinstate Imperial and use it to teach kids maths. Poles. Perchs. Chains. Furlongs. You know it makes sense.






How could we disagree? Mad

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#26 Posted : 05 February 2013 12:36:38(UTC)
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Metric notation encourages these bloopers by routinely ending with ".0" which both implies an inappropriate level of precision, and invites an accidental dropping of the ".". Punctuation nightmare, that sentence.

On the related subject of temperature, I have only recently found out why fahrenheit was a useful system. At school they were so busy with the Systeme Internationale that they did not bother to tell me, so I had to wait for the arrival of internet to get educated. It is based on having fixed points that can be accurately replicated by early scientists with minimal equipment. Freezing point of brine and scientist's own body temperature. You need to use a search engine if you want to know why 100 became 98.4...
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#27 Posted : 05 February 2013 13:11:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: berfel Go to Quoted Post
They are imbeciles regardless of the units of measurement because they lack a sense of proportion. The dimensions/units are only words to them. Sounds. Utterances. They lack the ability to make a physical connection between the language and what the units represent. They have no inherent understanding of what those words mean.


I agree. This is more a lack of practical numeracy than an issue with units.
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#28 Posted : 05 February 2013 15:47:28(UTC)
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I hate the degree of faux precision associated with the metric system. You see 8 foot lengths of wood sold as 2400 mill, since when did carpentry have to be accurate to the millimetre?
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#29 Posted : 05 February 2013 21:12:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ELF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: berfel Go to Quoted Post
They are imbeciles regardless of the units of measurement because they lack a sense of proportion. The dimensions/units are only words to them. Sounds. Utterances. They lack the ability to make a physical connection between the language and what the units represent. They have no inherent understanding of what those words mean.


I agree. This is more a lack of practical numeracy than an issue with units.

ELF,
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Tsk! I was about to post that exact paragraph of Berfel's and make pretty much the same comment.


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Quote:
"in a grave around 680 metres (2,231 feet) below ground level"

They've now changed it to:
Quote:
"in a grave around 68cm (27in) below ground level"


My guess as to what happened:
The original info was stated as 680mm (for some reason it's more common to quote smallish dimensions in millimetres rather than centimetres*). Someone then sloppily wrote that as 680m, dropping an 'm'. Then a real fcukwit got involved, a journalist of course, who actually did a correct calculation and got 2,231 ft. Unfcukingbelievably dumbphuck thick: "Yesturday I wanted to bee a jernilst. Taday I are one."


* The zero in that 680mm is significant. It shouldn't be. Even writing it as 68cm is still giving spurious precision. Given the nature of the measurement it would have been better to quote the distance as 0.7m, or better yet "a couple of feet or so".

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#30 Posted : 07 February 2013 10:01:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: John Archer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ELF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: berfel Go to Quoted Post
They are imbeciles regardless of the units of measurement because they lack a sense of proportion. The dimensions/units are only words to them. Sounds. Utterances. They lack the ability to make a physical connection between the language and what the units represent. They have no inherent understanding of what those words mean.

I agree. This is more a lack of practical numeracy than an issue with units.

ELF,
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Tsk! I was about to post that exact paragraph of Berfel's and make pretty much the same comment.

Quote:
"in a grave around 680 metres (2,231 feet) below ground level"

They've now changed it to:
Quote:
"in a grave around 68cm (27in) below ground level"

My guess as to what happened:
The original info was stated as 680mm (for some reason it's more common to quote smallish dimensions in millimetres rather than centimetres*). Someone then sloppily wrote that as 680m, dropping an 'm'. Then a real fcukwit got involved, a journalist of course, who actually did a correct calculation and got 2,231 ft. Unfcukingbelievably dumbphuck thick: "Yesturday I wanted to bee a jernilst. Taday I are one."

Sub-editor corrects it to "Yesturday I wanted to bee a jernilst. Taday I is one."

Originally Posted by: John Archer Go to Quoted Post
* The zero in that 680mm is significant. It shouldn't be. Even writing it as 68cm is still giving spurious precision. Given the nature of the measurement it would have been better to quote the distance as 0.7m, or better yet "a couple of feet or so".

Without getting too pedantic or needlessly "precise", shallow grave would have covered it. (It did for centuries.)

And, FWIW: Probably dug to waist-depth, dropped corpse in the bottom and filled with dirt. That's about the size of it.

Tell a journalist that it was obviously done in a hurry and/or by amateurs. Professional grave-diggers start at the bottom so that they don't have to throw the dirt up so far from a deep hole.
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