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#1 Posted : 31 January 2013 21:01:58(UTC)
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The picture above is not particularly dramatic but, by clicking on this link, you might think you were looking at Commission spokesman Frédéric Vincent delivering yesterday's midday press briefing to journalists.

In fact, though, what you were looking at was a representative of our masters handing down their judgement on what things are to be or, more accurately, how they would wish them to be.

The proximate issue here is neonicotinoid insecticides and their effect on bees, about which we wrote in November last. But that is only the tip of the iceberg. What matters here is not so much what, but how – and whom.

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#2 Posted : 31 January 2013 22:05:56(UTC)
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Thank you for raising this.

Keeping with the bee and EU theme, I would like to draw your attention to the following:

http://www.theparliament...allenge-eu-legislation/

http://www.gmo-safety.eu...tically-plants-ecj.html

http://bee-life.eu/en/article/15/
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Those beekeepers who do manage to remain in business, despite the extra costs of the “GM free” certification, will face dramatically increased costs of production and as a result they will be forced to increase the retail price for consumers.


The story of this is simple but strange. A German beekeeper, in Bavaria, 'somehow' discovered GM pollen in his honey. The Pollen came from a GM maze crop (MON810) belonging to the Bavarian government. He took the Bavarian government all the way to the ECJ, who ruled that pollen, GM or otherwise, was NOT a natural component of honey and therefore all jars must be labeled that, Honey contains pollen.

If that was not mad enough, the ECJ ruling overturned Commission and prior Inter-Governmental agreements and recommendations regarding the precise amounts of GM pollen allowed in honey, before it could be deemed unsafe. In effect, they changed the law with little or no outside scientific consultation.

So to summarise. A beekeeper in Germany throws a hissy fit over a little GM pollen. Goes to court and wins. Has EU law changed. And now has set in motion a chain of events that will effect beekeepers and consumers not just here in the UK and the EU, but also for those selling to the EU.

And Ken Clarke waffles about the UK having influence in the EU.

http://www.eureferendum....gview.aspx?blogno=83573

Am I right in saying, that if we were not in the EU, then we would not be subject to ECJ rulings.

If so, you can keep your 'influence'. I'll sooner be out of the EU and settle for real POWER !!!!


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#3 Posted : 01 February 2013 00:46:16(UTC)
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Am I right in saying, that if we were not in the EU, then we would not be subject to ECJ rulings.

If so, you can keep your 'influence'. I'll sooner be out of the EU and settle for real POWER !!!!




Yes, that is the case. The EEA has its own court.

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#4 Posted : 01 February 2013 01:25:54(UTC)
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Hmm well, I'm not sure I'd trust any product rolling off the production line and who were responsible for concocting Zyklon B.

Can we ever be sure of the real motives of any German Chemical company?

I would trust Dr. Julian Little as far as I could chuck him.


neonicotinoid - I don't like the way they kill - there must surely be knock on effects all the way up the line - to human beings.

Ban 'em all [neonicotinoid insecticides].

Damn it, the Apis and Bombus are too important for the whole of the planet and life itself and certainly not least for their wonderful beauty - for surely Bombus - IS the most lovely insect on the planet.

On the wider question, the clowns of European integration [Ken and Mandy et al] shout - "if we leave the EU, then we have less power and less influence" when and patently the opposite is true.

FFS, would it not be immensely preferable to be our own masters and not be dictated to about - just what we can and cannot do - when particularly foodstuffs are concerned?

There is, there can be no argument: remaining in the EU is insanity.

We must come out [secede from the EU] of this damnable totalitarian empire - for that is surely what it is.

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#5 Posted : 01 February 2013 03:00:36(UTC)
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Rumour has it that there are only three people in the world who have understood the process – one is dead, the second is in a mental asylum and the third exiled himself to a desert island. But whatever the committee decides, we will comply.

That is how our government works.


Wonderful, Dr. N! They've followed the manual to letter! "Oh, Brave New World...."RollEyes
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#6 Posted : 01 February 2013 12:59:50(UTC)
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Will the directive come by fax or email? Do we have a choice in mode of instruction delivery? think we should be told!
I wonder what Norwegian bees are thinking?
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