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#1 Posted : 25 January 2013 14:19:21(UTC)
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Defra Secretary Owen Paterson has told Farmers Guardian that UK agriculture could be better served if Britain leaves the European Union.

This was during an online discussion on the CAP, the same day that David Cameron finally announced he will offer the British public an "in-out" referendum on membership of the EU. Mr Paterson said the UK would "do a good job" of making its own decisions on agricultural policy.

"Within Europe the CAP is moving away from pure food subsidy to a more environmental policy, and we are seeing that in the negotiations it is impossible to impose a one-size-fits-all policy", Paterson adds, then declaring, "I'm completely clear that as we move towards a more environmental policy, these sort of decisions are much better made at national and local level".

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#2 Posted : 25 January 2013 17:17:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
' ... From a standing start, however, an FG on withdrawing from the EU gave 51.7 percent against the proposition, with 40.1 for, and 8.1 percent "don't knows". For the farming community, that is a pretty strong result against the EU, demonstrating the scale of the task the "outers" have to surmount. ... '

Surely that should read 'a pretty strong result for the EU'. or have I misread the pasage?

Given the vast sums we shall save once out of the EU, the 'U'K government could assume responsibility for the CAP subsidies formerly paid from Brussels, perhaps even increasing them, even if only temporarily, couldn't it? Further, an 'out' USP would be that no 'one size fits all', environmentally led EU agricultural policy could possibly be tailored to the particular needs of 'U'K farmers.

Edited by user 25 January 2013 17:19:22(UTC)  | Reason: 'For' italicised.

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#3 Posted : 25 January 2013 17:57:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
' ... From a standing start, however, an FG on withdrawing from the EU gave 51.7 percent against the proposition, with 40.1 for, and 8.1 percent "don't knows". For the farming community, that is a pretty strong result against the EU, demonstrating the scale of the task the "outers" have to surmount. ... '

Surely that should read 'a pretty strong result for the EU'. or have I misread the pasage?

Given the vast sums we shall save once out of the EU, the 'U'K government could assume responsibility for the CAP subsidies formerly paid from Brussels, perhaps even increasing them, even if only temporarily, couldn't it? Further, an 'out' USP would be that no 'one size fits all', environmentally led EU agricultural policy could possibly be tailored to the particular needs of 'U'K farmers.




No ... it's comparative. Two decades ago, I guess you would have got 90 percent support for the EU. To get only just over 50 percent is pretty amazing.

As to tailoring policy to the needs of UK farmers, that is definitely the intent, but we won't see subsidies disappear in a hurry. There won't be much saving.
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#4 Posted : 25 January 2013 18:00:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: William Gruff Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
' ... From a standing start, however, an FG on withdrawing from the EU gave 51.7 percent against the proposition, with 40.1 for, and 8.1 percent "don't knows". For the farming community, that is a pretty strong result against the EU, demonstrating the scale of the task the "outers" have to surmount. ... '

Surely that should read 'a pretty strong result for the EU'. or have I misread the pasage?

Given the vast sums we shall save once out of the EU, the 'U'K government could assume responsibility for the CAP subsidies formerly paid from Brussels, perhaps even increasing them, even if only temporarily, couldn't it? Further, an 'out' USP would be that no 'one size fits all', environmentally led EU agricultural policy could possibly be tailored to the particular needs of 'U'K farmers.

Would it not be possible to propose such a tailored policy now, well before any referendum? Would it not be possible for Parliament to even PASS laws that would take effect only upon exit from the EU, so they would be in place from day 1?

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#5 Posted : 25 January 2013 18:14:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
' ... From a standing start, however, an FG on withdrawing from the EU gave 51.7 percent against the proposition, with 40.1 for, and 8.1 percent "don't knows". For the farming community, that is a pretty strong result against the EU, demonstrating the scale of the task the "outers" have to surmount. ... '

Surely that should read 'a pretty strong result for the EU'. or have I misread the pasage?

Given the vast sums we shall save once out of the EU, the 'U'K government could assume responsibility for the CAP subsidies formerly paid from Brussels, perhaps even increasing them, even if only temporarily, couldn't it? Further, an 'out' USP would be that no 'one size fits all', environmentally led EU agricultural policy could possibly be tailored to the particular needs of 'U'K farmers.

Would it not be possible to propose such a tailored policy now, well before any referendum? Would it not be possible for Parliament to even PASS laws that would take effect only upon exit from the EU, so they would be in place from day 1?




The existing regime does not end until 2020. It would be unwise to attempt anything before then.

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#6 Posted : 25 January 2013 18:36:08(UTC)
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I may be wrong, but understood that it is the land owner that gets the EU dosh which is not necessarily the same person as the farmer.

Incidently, my sister who rents out a small field to a local farmer asked him one year to leave a small margin, crop free round the edge of the field, in order that she would have space to walk the dog. Shortly after she received an official letter stating that the satellite had picked up on the field shrinking by a very specific amount and hence her EU subsidy would also reduce!!

Most of the farmers I know are totally fed up with the EU - the amount of paperwork, bureaucracy and compliance now involved with farming, together with appalling management of disease control etc. They just want to get on and farm in the way they know best.
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#7 Posted : 25 January 2013 18:55:21(UTC)
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It's the holder of the 'entitlements' who gets the dosh - 95% of the time that's the farmer, but there are some tenant farmers who don't get it (it goes to the landlord), but their rent reflects that.

I'm a tenant farner, I hold the entitlements for this farm, so I get the dosh from the EU. I would have made a loss every year in the last 15 without it. Then again, I'm not a very good farmer....

But there is a surprising anti-EU sentiment among us farmers, despite the masssive cheques, and it is all down to the EU-inspired paperwork, interference, and utter nonsense, with just perhaps a hint of sovereignty concerns . And there has indeed been discussion about some sort of BAP (British Agricultural Policy) that could replace it. Without having to subsidise non-existent olive groves and dairy herds that appear to be on the 12th floor of blocks of flats, our system could be far more efficient.

The final factor is the storming price of wheat, thanks to the world shortage. That's making those subsidy cheques less relevant, and hence the squealing last week when plans were announced to 'double-up' subsidy payments for environmental schemes. A particularly violent reaction from the WWF ( http://www.wwf.org.uk/wh...suffer-from-illegal-move ) which I'm trying to deconstruct for my column in Farmers Weekly. Funnily enough, they seem hesitant to talk to me.
Anyway, the point is that it all those iffy corners of the farm which were best left alone (ie in environmental schemes) back when wheat was £56/ton are now worth returning to the plough with wheat at £250. It's not rocket science! (That's lettuces).
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