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richard
#1 Posted : 15 January 2013 23:25:37(UTC)
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Have you ever checked the date of an article, only to find that it bears the day's date, when the content seems several days old? So it is with the Financial Times which was late yesterday flagging up the probability that the "colleagues" were abandoning the idea of a treaty change in the immediate future.

This, if course, was picked up by the loss-making Guardian last Friday, and even then we observed that this was old news.

Nevertheless, it doesn't do the legacy media any harm to get its creaky brain round the idea that we are not going to see a referendum in a hurry, and to begin to explore the possibility that Mr Cameron might not be able to hijack and IGC to force his renegotiation, simply because there will not be one in the immediate offing to hijack.

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#2 Posted : 16 January 2013 00:37:23(UTC)
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Slightly OT, the Great Deception is proving most thought-provoking. I don't think I've thought about the EU so much in my entire life.
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#3 Posted : 16 January 2013 00:57:46(UTC)
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'Fraid so Richard.

It will be a choice betwixt; a totally in, or little bit in but still with the ball firmly shackled by the chain around our [British] ankles.


Foxtrot Oscar to that.
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#4 Posted : 16 January 2013 03:08:40(UTC)
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I like the positivie, strategially thoughtfull tenor of this post. Of course, Euroskeptics cannot accept a referendum defined by Euroviles. A central tenant must be the practical approach of using article 50 ( even though I do not understand the ramifications of the options - I've lost track of all the agreements and bureaucratic machinations over the years; but I trust Richard on this).
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#5 Posted : 16 January 2013 03:14:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Frank Davis Go to Quoted Post
Slightly OT, the Great Deception is proving most thought-provoking. I don't think I've thought about the EU so much in my entire life.


Frank, that is an excellent book. I purchased it when it was first published and it clarified what I had seen throughout my early life in the political world.

I leant it to a friend's girlfriend who was studying the EU here in Canada, as an MSc or PhD or something. She was perplexed as she has only received the pro-EU side before. But it was so well researched that she could not deny any of it.
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#6 Posted : 16 January 2013 07:49:17(UTC)
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So is Cameron deliberately insulting us by giving his speech in foreign lands? I was under the impression he is our PM.
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#7 Posted : 16 January 2013 07:51:07(UTC)
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Note: as instructed we are looking hard at Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union to see how a formal UK notice of withdrawal from the EU would be taken forward. It looks straightforward: a short letter from the Prime Minister to his European Council colleagues indicating that we are triggering that procedure, but including a positive statement of willingness to negotiate a new ambitious relationship outside the current treaty structure.]


From the Charles Crawford piece .....so who "instructed" him I wonder?

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#8 Posted : 16 January 2013 07:58:26(UTC)
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#9 Posted : 16 January 2013 08:53:58(UTC)
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/


BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

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#10 Posted : 16 January 2013 10:11:36(UTC)
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I have genuinely read this haven't I? One the proposals to repatriate powers is erm...

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An end to the European Parliament’s costly monthly move from Brussels to Strasbourg.


And the French will agree to this how...?
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#11 Posted : 16 January 2013 12:46:00(UTC)
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First of all, though, if there is even to be a referendum, it looks as if we must first ensure that the Tories get elected with a clear majority. That is not going to be easy. One hopes that Mr Cameron will show better judgement than he has previously, and make a credible speech that can be used as an electoral platform.

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Hitchens differs:
Peter Hitchens wrote:
All our major parties (and the Tories most of all) are deeply committed to staying in. When they offer referenda, they are toying with you and your vote. First, we must destroy the Tories. Then there will be hope.


See Hitchens's article at: http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/01/mr-slippery-woos-the-nitwits-britain-can-leave-the-eu-but-not-via-a-referendum.html
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