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#1 Posted : 08 February 2013 12:43:47(UTC)
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As the horsemeat scandal enters its second month, and seems to be intensifying rather than fading, not a few people are asking how it is possible that such huge quantities of burgers and other meat products could end up contaminated. After all, horse meat has a very obvious smell, different colouration and fat conformation, and surely would be recognisable to anyone making the products.

While this would most certainly be true in the domestic kitchen, what people do not always appreciate is that things are very different on the industrial scale. The quantities are so huge and the speed of processing so high, that it is impossible to check all the ingredients going through the system.

What is more, even lines which predominantly use chilled meat will also use a proportion of frozen blocks, at anything up to 25kg weight, which - as graphically illustrated by the video above - is used without defrosting. And in that state, the people handling it will have no idea what it actually is.

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#2 Posted : 08 February 2013 13:19:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
However, since the food scares of the late 1980s and '90s, we have seen a sea-change in regulation, both in scale and type, with the introduction of predictive control system, known generically as Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP) and paperwork auditing.

HACCP in particular, has been adopted with enthusiasm by the EU and incorporated into basic Food Safety Regulations, as the primary mechanism of control.

...

As a result, in the early 21st Century, food standards are probably less well-policed than they have been for the bulk of the second half of the last century. And, since food safety and food standards are exclusive EU competences, there is no immediate (or any) chance of improvement.



As more and more meat products have been outed as containing horse and the source of the meat processors claimed to be Ireland and France, I was beginning to wonder if there was an EU regulatory/standards angle to this akin to the French implant scandal last year. In other words, we have to take the words of others that products coming into this country are of an adequate standard without the ability or authority to do our own testing to our own standards.

I suppose this will be claimed by the EUrophiles as another triumph of EU membership.
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#3 Posted : 08 February 2013 14:02:12(UTC)
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Heh. If I'da known you were gonna post this, I would have put my "EU Theatre" comment here instead. Although Ravenscar's post over there did provide a convenient segue...
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#4 Posted : 08 February 2013 14:42:11(UTC)
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The supermarkets operate what is known as "plausible deniability". As long as they have the paperwork to say they are in the clear, they are happy. And if the supermarkets are happy, everybody else is happy.


Not just supermarkets is it?


As long as the boxes are ticked - beds will remain wet, patients die in their own faeces and - AND LO! Lord look how well the system is working!!!

We live in a country which is run by an elite, by vacuous time serving peculating policiticians, by Mandarins and corporate directors employing PC brainwashed university educated numb skulls who can walk the walk and talk the talk, where divesity and equality targets are the only be all and end all and "daddy got me a job" - nepotism, cronyism is the rage.

Councils, where social engineering is the end game and testing meat products is done by computer audit.

None of them give a flying toss about you and me, they despise us, ignore us and treat us like s**t and when your time is up - Liverpool pathway or damp bed and starvation - it's the only way.

EU, working alongside the State in Britain, whether indirectly or directly allows ultimate responsibility for most competencies to be officially denied at all and at every juncture and until we free ourselves of this higher ring of corrupt and distant officialdom. Their British minions, fabians, statist Tories, common purpose, the green eco-tyrants, politicians, civic hall talibans and councillors, will always feel safe under the protection of the Aegis of Brussels - that's where corporate lawyers and police see their jobs - protecting the state and that's how it works.

Until there is accountability, there will never be responsibility and the EU encourages, protects and succours this ongoing slide into brutality = we have been made a social experiment to test the EU's more abstract political Marxist theory.
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#5 Posted : 08 February 2013 15:07:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
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The supermarkets operate what is known as "plausible deniability". As long as they have the paperwork to say they are in the clear, they are happy. And if the supermarkets are happy, everybody else is happy.


Not just supermarkets is it?




Quite right ... but I just thought I'd mention that the food industry has also joined the box-ticking society.
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#6 Posted : 08 February 2013 15:09:44(UTC)
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... What is not mentioned is the elephant in the room – the EU ...

I'd happily eat burgers containing elephant meat if we could butcher that beast.

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#7 Posted : 08 February 2013 15:11:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
... What is not mentioned is the elephant in the room – the EU ...

I'd happily eat burgers containing elephant meat if we could butcher that beast.



As long as you spit out the stars. BigGrin


I wonder what elephant meat tastes like?




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#8 Posted : 08 February 2013 15:17:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
... 'I wonder what elephant meat tastes like?'

Ground, chewed and 'composted' democracy I should think.

Your mention of the stars suggests that an essential health warning should be printed on the packaging, as with bones in fish products. Choking on one of those could be lethal.

PS: An elephant wearing an EU flag and chewing up a load of democracy hay, with piles of composite issuing from its rear, would make a good cartoon.

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I can see that food products should be of known and approved composition.

I can't see why horsemeat has people in a hysteria of revulsion and disgust.
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#10 Posted : 08 February 2013 16:03:03(UTC)
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How long before we have the Green Tosser makeing Dobin burgers for his kids on TV.

The Swiss are very partial to Dobin meat in their Fondue Chinois, very good it is too, better than the beef..

The thing that worries me is what the hell are the Rumanians and Bulgarians gonna put in the meat!!!!!!!

Still many people will find out that the EU is at fault, so this will strike yet another blow against the accursed empire......feeding yr little darlings Dobin won't play well at all.





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#11 Posted : 08 February 2013 16:07:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: William Gruff Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
... 'I wonder what elephant meat tastes like?'

Ground, chewed and 'composted' democracy I should think.

Your mention of the stars suggests that an essential health warning should be printed on the packaging, as with bones in fish products. Choking on one of those could be lethal.

PS: An elephant wearing an EU flag and chewing up a load of democracy hay, with piles of composite issuing from its rear, would make a good cartoon.

I didn't realize that the EU was Republican!
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#12 Posted : 08 February 2013 16:11:36(UTC)
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So long as there is a proper paper trail all is well.
Government of the bureaucrats,by the bureaucrats and for the bureaucrats shall not perish.
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#13 Posted : 08 February 2013 16:12:31(UTC)
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listening to some British farmers on the radio earlier on bemoaning all the standards and hoops they have had to jump through to get British meat up to scratch....then this happens.Must make them grind their teeth.



Enough to turn one vegetarian....'cept all the bleedin pesticides used on fruit and veg will bring you to a premature end.

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#14 Posted : 08 February 2013 16:13:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: F U Fed Up Go to Quoted Post
How long before we have the Green Tosser makeing Dobin burgers for his kids on TV.

The Swiss are very partial to Dobin meat in their Fondue Chinois, very good it is too, better than the beef..

The thing that worries me is what the hell are the Rumanians and Bulgarians gonna put in the meat!!!!!!!

Still many people will find out that the EU is at fault, so this will strike yet another blow against the accursed empire......feeding yr little darlings Dobin won't play well at all.






With Jimmy Savile getting along over there so well for so long, I suspect it is something else that the "Green Tosser" is feeding the kids...
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#15 Posted : 08 February 2013 16:21:36(UTC)
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Quite surprised no-one has asked, so far, who we should nag about this BigGrin

I don't purchase newspapers any more but has anyone seen any article with the detailed background in Richard's post?

Think I might work this into my question on Tuesday Richard.Angry
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You say:
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The criminal negligence here is in a criminally inadequate regulatory system, one imposed for political expediency rather than efficacy.
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But as long as the right money goes into the right pockets, who really cares? After all, it's not as if your Betters are eating any of this stuff. One must learn to recognize one's station in life and behave appropriately, lest one's Betters bring back the pillory and stocks, and resume public floggings and executions. They have been lenient for years, but eventually the punishment must fit the crime, else there is no Rule of Law...
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#17 Posted : 08 February 2013 17:28:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vincent Go to Quoted Post
listening to some British farmers on the radio earlier on bemoaning all the standards and hoops they have had to jump through to get British meat up to scratch....then this happens.Must make them grind their teeth.

I remember a few years ago attending a meeting with MEPs Timothy Kirkhope and Edward McMillan-Scott and there was a farmer there. He was restraining himself but it was obviously a struggle from the look on his face.

I've always remembered that.

I've also wondered why some burgers taste odd and now I know. I had an odd tasting burger today in the works canteen so I reckon it may have had horsemeat in it. My dad always used to say that cheap burgers had horsemeat in them and it turns out he was absolutely correct.

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#18 Posted : 08 February 2013 17:29:25(UTC)
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Quite surprised no-one has asked, so far, who we should nag about this BigGrin

I don't purchase newspapers any more but has anyone seen any article with the detailed background in Richard's post?

Think I might work this into my question on Tuesday Richard.Angry




If in doubt ... BigGrin

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#19 Posted : 08 February 2013 20:07:00(UTC)
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What was that they used to say before they said "The world has moved on"?

Oh, yes. "You are what you eat." Well if there's anything in that, the ptb obviously aren't eating horse. If they were, they'd be infinitely superior beings.

Tell you what though: one way or another, they're definitely eating people. Though why we all give up and let them do it beats me.

Suggestions for various cartoons are great, though! That way we'll look for a way into popular media that will reach the people and help them recognise the extent of the invasion, the power of the oppressor. Then we have to earn their trust; stay with them as we all fight our way out of it; and, afterwards, continue to prioritise our mutual interests. Bring on the next world phase, HA!

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#20 Posted : 08 February 2013 21:41:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Stephen Go to Quoted Post
So long as there is a proper paper trail all is well.
Government of the bureaucrats,by the bureaucrats and for the bureaucrats shall not perish.
Yes, the map has completely replaced the territory.
Please hold: your call is important to us.
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