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#1 Posted : 05 February 2013 15:02:37(UTC)
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Acute observers have noticed that David Cameron is not alone in his obsession with homosexual marriage, with the French National Assembly last week having approved the most important article of a bill to legalise same-sex marriage.

Same-sex marriage has already been legalised the Netherlands, by Norway and in Germany, where the constitutional court has recently strengthened the rights of homosexual couples, giving them a same tax benefit as heterosexual married couples. That country, rather like Britain, is currently "mired in an escalating debate on the status of homosexual partnerships".

Given the Europe-wide interest, which also includes Spain, it is not untoward to ask whether there is an EU dimension in all this. The answer is "not directly". There is, however, a very strong "European" dimension and a UK link. But to find it you have to go not to Brussels but to Strasbourg and the Council of Europe (CoE).

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#2 Posted : 05 February 2013 15:19:18(UTC)
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Well what a surprise or not, our EUrosceptic - not- PM is yet again toadying to the EU, who'd a thunk it? Well I mean, this is so important.....the economy looks good, someone had a good January for sales, we have no deficit or even National debt, energy is short, what's to worry about. The EU is not tottering on the brink of disaster the white global warming is still falling, no worries...Sir Reg Sheffield is still trousering our thousands even when the wind does not blow or blows too hard, all is well in the best of all wonderful worlds.........aaaaaaaahg.
Nothing to see here folks move on.

And we do not rise up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bloody hell!
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#3 Posted : 05 February 2013 15:27:05(UTC)
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What a surprise...? Not. I have to say my suspicions were aroused but I looked in the wrong place. That the Tories were set to destroy their party over an issue that did not resonate with the country at large always had a smell of Europe about it.
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#4 Posted : 05 February 2013 15:52:53(UTC)
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When I heard that Francois Hollande was doing the same thing as Cameron I realised that there had to be a European angle to this, and that Cameron would not be pushing gay marriage to his clear personal disadvantage without a good prod from Europe. I wondered what the detail was and who would do the research to find out - my guess it would be you turned out to be correct. Thanks once again for your tenacity.
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#5 Posted : 05 February 2013 15:54:47(UTC)
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Thanks for this.

People have been saying gay-marriage was an EU initiative for months, but have never come out with any convincing evidence, apart from pointing to developments in other countries. Now it turns out it is from on high and at a European level, but it isn't the EU specifically, which explains a lot.

There's also been talk of it coming from the UN. This seems to have been informed by the idea that several US states are pushing for gay marriage.

It looks as if the UN has two rival statements on gay rights, the pro one pushed by France and Holland and the anti pushed by the Moslem world. There is no resolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ty_at_the_United_Nations

It looks as if this is a French/Dutch project.

It certainly explains Cameron's action in pushing such an issue despite its unpopularity. The idea that he was doing it on principle was always ridiculous.








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#6 Posted : 05 February 2013 15:55:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Peter Mauley Go to Quoted Post
When I heard that Francois Hollande was doing the same thing as Cameron I realised that there had to be a European angle to this, and that Cameron would not be pushing gay marriage to his clear personal disadvantage without a good prod from Europe. I wondered what the detail was and who would do the research to find out - my guess it would be you turned out to be correct. Thanks once again for your tenacity.




BigGrin "tenacity"! Nice name for bloody mindedness.

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#7 Posted : 05 February 2013 16:25:58(UTC)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by: Peter Mauley
When I heard that Francois Hollande was doing the same thing as Cameron I realised that there had to be a European angle to this, and that Cameron would not be pushing gay marriage to his clear personal disadvantage without a good prod from Europe. I wondered what the detail was and who would do the research to find out - my guess it would be you turned out to be correct. Thanks once again for your tenacity.



"tenacity"! Nice name for bloody mindedness.



BigGrin Glad to see that you've 'come out' at last, Richard!BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin
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#8 Posted : 05 February 2013 16:35:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: permex Go to Quoted Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by: Peter Mauley
When I heard that Francois Hollande was doing the same thing as Cameron I realised that there had to be a European angle to this, and that Cameron would not be pushing gay marriage to his clear personal disadvantage without a good prod from Europe. I wondered what the detail was and who would do the research to find out - my guess it would be you turned out to be correct. Thanks once again for your tenacity.



"tenacity"! Nice name for bloody mindedness.



BigGrin Glad to see that you've 'come out' at last, Richard!BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin



Never made any secret of it ... ask Mrs EUReferendum. Sneaky

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#9 Posted : 05 February 2013 16:35:56(UTC)
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Meanwhile I browsed into this earlier.




http://www.telegraph.co....e-Eurosceptic-surge.html


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The European Parliament is to spend almost £2 million on press monitoring and trawling Eurosceptic debates on the internet for "trolls" with whom to debate in the run-up and during euro-elections next year amid fears that hostility to the EU is growing.


Trollhunting...... tallyho


They must be feeling there is a negative view of them out thereHuh .Can't wait for them to pop in and explain where we have got it all wrong.BigGrin



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#10 Posted : 05 February 2013 16:40:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vincent Go to Quoted Post
Meanwhile I browsed into this earlier.




http://www.telegraph.co....e-Eurosceptic-surge.html


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The European Parliament is to spend almost £2 million on press monitoring and trawling Eurosceptic debates on the internet for "trolls" with whom to debate in the run-up and during euro-elections next year amid fears that hostility to the EU is growing.


Trollhunting...... tallyho


They must be feeling there is a negative view of them out thereHuh .Can't wait for them to pop in and explain where we have got it all wrong.BigGrin





I'm not going to take that seriously ... they introduced something similar for the 2004 and 2009 campaigns, and that never came to anything. They just don't have the knack.

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#11 Posted : 05 February 2013 18:14:40(UTC)
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What these equality fanatics seems to miss is that not all things are created equal and there are plenty of examples of people being treated differently which are accepted without question.

So why shouldn't a marriage remain an institution between a man and a women?
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#12 Posted : 05 February 2013 18:41:40(UTC)
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I had assumed that Mr Cameron had chosen to promote a contentious issue as a diversion.

In short, I had dismissed it as a ruse.

Perhaps, by provoking contention, the EU intends to foster the illusion of meaningful political engagement.
Please hold: your call is important to us.
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#13 Posted : 05 February 2013 18:59:54(UTC)
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They are rewriting history as we speak, altering and trashing social mores and after 50 years of dumbing down and debasement. With gay abandon, the nation resounds with, Political correctness rules and dogmas: all are now almost fully accepted by the lumpen proletariat. In Western EUrope, progressive desires regression.

"Gay Marriage".

Where ever it came from and my guess is a higher authority than the CoE - they're just the patsies and Dave's is their skivvy. This gay marriage illusion is a precept of the cultural Marxist Frankfurt movement - in that, anything and everything which undermines the foundations and basic teachings of the established Church [or any traditional institution and history itself] is encouraged and enacted to further the cultural Marxism diktat.

The UN [though not exclusively] agenda 21 - is behind the diversity/equality doctrine. I can feel the ghostly hand of Obama's democratic (Confused ) attack dogs - willing this on, you've got to knock things down before you establish the new order.

Whatever, Cameron, is not doing this to be some sort of champion of gay rights, he was told to. And in his internationalist guise - he scores well with the global cognoscenti and billionaires sitting in NYC/Washington.

Gay marriage, LBTG, diversity, Multiculti, mass immigration, global warming, Bliar and now another champion in Cameron - the only thing that doesn't chime is 'war on terror'.....................oh sorry that should read - "war on the proletariat"... of course - how remiss.
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#14 Posted : 05 February 2013 19:08:19(UTC)
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Got 'em all going ain't they?

Had a long round trip drive today and tried listening to various radio stations - sheesh - wall to wall - BBC predictably "at it" on an industrial scale.

Champagne on ice in a few legal offices I expect.

Weapons of Mass Distraction Bullseye

Well done Richard for wading through the swamp of "recommendations" and their associated jungle of influence peddlings and all - an eye opener to see it all laid out - thank you.

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Bugger the lot of 'em I say... Crying
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#16 Posted : 05 February 2013 20:54:59(UTC)
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Thanks for solving the mystery.

Like many of the posters' above, I too thought it had the odour of EU about it.

Just one more example of the tyrannical power of a vocal minority. I guess that is what they mean when they refer to having 'influence'.
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Here he goes again:

The launch of the new 'mission' followed a call from Cameron for businesses and government to work closer together to promote the UK's position as a leading hub for clean tech innovation and investment.

"Already today Britain is one of the best places for green energy, green investment and crucially for green jobs anywhere in the world," he said, highlighting the introduction of the Renewable Heat Incentive scheme, the Green Investment Bank, the Green Deal and many other environmental policies.

"But I want to go further... I want to bring these [policies] together and really explain to the world, and particularly investors, what is available here in Britain... Together we can make Britain a global showcase for green innovation and energy efficiency. Together we can do the right thing for our planet and, just as important, do the right thing for our economy too."

Responding to questions, Cameron defended the Green Deal following criticism of the high interest rates underpinning the scheme and the relatively slow pace of take up, predicting the programme will "build over the months and years ahead".

"The key to it is the basic promise that you are not making an upfront investment and the savings you will make over time will really benefit you," he said.


With that fekkin jerk at the helm.....

He wants to stop Islamic terrorism in the Sahel -

What about stopping this in his own back yard - Britain?

Why does he promise all things to all men, promise to green Britain and spend trillions on fairy lights and some things that he could do - he feigns innocence and cocks a deaf un.

Dave, after Blair must be the next to the scaffold.
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#18 Posted : 05 February 2013 21:11:41(UTC)
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Yes - we need our own Operation Anthropoid to rid us of this particular Reichsprotektor.


"Considering that the aim of the Council of Europe is to achieve a greater unity between its members, and that this aim may be pursued, in particular, through common action in the field of human rights;"

Ever closer union is dead, eh?
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#19 Posted : 05 February 2013 21:58:33(UTC)
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Yes - we need our own Operation Anthropoid to rid us of this particular Reichsprotektor.


"Considering that the aim of the Council of Europe is to achieve a greater unity between its members, and that this aim may be pursued, in particular, through common action in the field of human rights;"

Ever closer union is dead, eh?



It tends to act these days as a warm-up act for the EU.
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Originally Posted by: vincent Go to Quoted Post
Meanwhile I browsed into this earlier.

http://www.telegraph.co....e-Eurosceptic-surge.html

Quote:
The European Parliament is to spend almost £2 million on press monitoring and trawling Eurosceptic debates on the internet for "trolls" with whom to debate in the run-up and during euro-elections next year amid fears that hostility to the EU is growing.


Trollhunting...... tallyho

They must be feeling there is a negative view of them out thereHuh .Can't wait for them to pop in and explain where we have got it all wrong.BigGrin


I'm not going to take that seriously ... they introduced something similar for the 2004 and 2009 campaigns, and that never came to anything. They just don't have the knack.


They've got the knack of blowing huge wodges of our money on pointless BS. Fume. Cursing
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