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#1 Posted : 04 February 2013 14:58:56(UTC)
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Quite a jolly story about Richard III in the Daily Mail, but one is a little perturbed to find he was buried "in a grave around 680 metres (2,231 feet) below ground level". How on earth (to coin a phrase) did they find him?

Actually, I think this is the curse of metric again. The word "metres" seems to have the effect of switching off that part of the brain that records measurement, so that numbers become totally meaningless.

Interestingly, the Mail also runs a piece by the same author (Damien Gayle) about finding signs of life buried beneath the West Antarctic ice sheet. The depth is put at "HALF A MILE" (in caps), and is instantly recognisable.

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#2 Posted : 04 February 2013 15:27:17(UTC)
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Richard, I too gasped when I read the supposed depth of this grave. Then I realised it was a newspaper report. I wonder though if this is the Leicester equivalent of Piltdown man?
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#3 Posted : 04 February 2013 15:34:44(UTC)
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Richard, I too gasped when I read the supposed depth of this grave. Then I realised it was a newspaper report. I wonder though if this is the Leicester equivalent of Piltdown man?



You said it ... it's a newspaper report!
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#4 Posted : 04 February 2013 15:36:52(UTC)
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6.8 metres would still be a long way underground. Also, the last paragraph you quoted was nonsense, as having his hands crossed indicates that he was laid out with his hands crossed. Why would anyone tie the hands of a corpse? Perhaps this indicates that the tudors believed he would turn into a zombie and try to claw his way out!
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#5 Posted : 04 February 2013 16:49:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: john in cheshire Go to Quoted Post
Richard, I too gasped when I read the supposed depth of this grave. Then I realised it was a newspaper report. I wonder though if this is the Leicester equivalent of Piltdown man?



You said it ... it's a newspaper report!


Would it not be equally likely to be found on the telly, as well? Or does the Beebe at least properly screen for such?

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#6 Posted : 04 February 2013 17:23:01(UTC)
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6.8 metres would still be a long way underground. Also, the last paragraph you quoted was nonsense, as having his hands crossed indicates that he was laid out with his hands crossed. Why would anyone tie the hands of a corpse? Perhaps this indicates that the tudors believed he would turn into a zombie and try to claw his way out!



Well apart from the 680m the positioning of the hands also struck me as odd.Someone explained he may have been tied over a horse whilst transported after being killed.By the look of his hasty burial maybe they could not be bothered to untie his hands,there was obviously little respect shown in death either way.

The king is dead ...long live the King.

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#7 Posted : 04 February 2013 17:46:34(UTC)
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Somewhere I have kept a rather old cutting from the front page of the Daily Express of Sept 1994.
It declared that the previous August had been the driest month since records began with a months rainfall of only 6.1m.

I said to myself, 'Oh really, that is about 20 foot of water'.
I presumed they had meant 6.1mm which is 1/4inch of water.
I used to keep as many of these howlers whenever I saw them and used that cutting and others to tease all the metric imbeciles I met.
I used to point out that the misprinted 6.1m could be metres, centimetres or millimetres but we would never be able to fathom (sorry) it out correctly. If the report had been printed in Imperial measure there would be no way that 1/4 inch could ever be misprinted as anything else and certainly not as 20 foot of water.
Another good one was the report of diesel cars producing 150kg of carbon soot every Kilometre.
That computes as 330lbs per half mile. Yep I thought, another newspaper calculation that is impossible to retread back and recalculate. Did they mean 150kg every 100km or 1000km or did they mean 150g per km or 100km or 1000km... or or or...Angry
It was always bollox.
(yes, I know, I ought to get out more often) BigGrin

There is a Time Team special on tonight about Richard III.
They like their metric measures, Tony Robinson was talking in kilometres on the Sunday program yesterday.
It is easier to speak in Imperial,
Inches is easier that Millimetres
Feet easier than metres
Yards easier than metres,
Miles easier than Kilometres.
and as for buying petrol by the litre..where does a litre get you.. it is like buying beer by the teacup.

Rant over. BigGrin

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#8 Posted : 04 February 2013 18:17:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jaguar driver Go to Quoted Post
Somewhere I have kept a rather old cutting from the front page of the Daily Express of Sept 1994.
It declared that the previous August had been the driest month since records began with a months rainfall of only 6.1m.

I said to myself, 'Oh really, that is about 20 foot of water'.
I presumed they had meant 6.1mm which is 1/4inch of water.
I used to keep as many of these howlers whenever I saw them and used that cutting and others to tease all the metric imbeciles I met.
I used to point out that the misprinted 6.1m could be metres, centimetres or millimetres but we would never be able to fathom (sorry) it out correctly. If the report had been printed in Imperial measure there would be no way that 1/4 inch could ever be misprinted as anything else and certainly not as 20 foot of water.
Another good one was the report of diesel cars producing 150kg of carbon soot every Kilometre.
That computes as 330lbs per half mile. Yep I thought, another newspaper calculation that is impossible to retread back and recalculate. Did they mean 150kg every 100km or 1000km or did they mean 150g per km or 100km or 1000km... or or or...Angry
It was always bollox.
(yes, I know, I ought to get out more often) BigGrin

There is a Time Team special on tonight about Richard III.
They like their metric measures, Tony Robinson was talking in kilometres on the Sunday program yesterday.
It is easier to speak in Imperial,
Inches is easier that Millimetres
Feet easier than metres
Yards easier than metres,
Miles easier than Kilometres.
and as for buying petrol by the litre..where does a litre get you.. it is like buying beer by the teacup.

Rant over. BigGrin

Well, nothing wrong with beer by the teacup. As long as it's the RIGHT teacup:
http://www.baronbob.com/giant-teacupandsaucer.htm
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#9 Posted : 04 February 2013 18:40:26(UTC)
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Tony Robinson is a hard core leftist, which is no doubt why he prefers not to use the Imperial system, but rather the system devised by French regicides, and which was enthusiastically adopted by Lenin.
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#10 Posted : 04 February 2013 18:48:59(UTC)
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I actually heard a weather guesser on some channel or such actually converting centigrade to fahrenheit and then condascendingly stating "and that is for those who prefer it in old money". I thought - what a prick.
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#11 Posted : 04 February 2013 18:52:20(UTC)
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Mmatis said:-
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Well, nothing wrong with beer by the teacup. As long as it's the RIGHT teacup:
http://www.baronbob.com/giant-teacupandsaucer.htm


OutStanding.. !ThumpUp

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#12 Posted : 04 February 2013 18:56:07(UTC)
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The only way I can link this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...-bill.html#axzz2JxRx0ndO to the Richard III story is that it is in a newspaper. But thought that as you live in Bradford you may know more than this article is letting on; or you may know that actual truth.

It looks like you will have to initially pay (the council are reimbursing the residents) for more eco-madness but the council reckons it is going to get the money back off the builders. Am I missing something here but did the council not have to approve the building every bit of this development and therefore should have known that the eco-madness scheme was a dud?

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#13 Posted : 04 February 2013 19:49:29(UTC)
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Saw them fannying about in a hole on the TV news - 68cm
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#14 Posted : 04 February 2013 19:54:59(UTC)
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He was found easily because there was .... a mole.

I'll get my coat.
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#15 Posted : 04 February 2013 20:10:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: thespecialone Go to Quoted Post
The only way I can link this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...-bill.html#axzz2JxRx0ndO to the Richard III story is that it is in a newspaper. But thought that as you live in Bradford you may know more than this article is letting on; or you may know that actual truth.

It looks like you will have to initially pay (the council are reimbursing the residents) for more eco-madness but the council reckons it is going to get the money back off the builders. Am I missing something here but did the council not have to approve the building every bit of this development and therefore should have known that the eco-madness scheme was a dud?


Solar energy in Bradford - now that is funny

Quote:
'We appreciate that it is a serious problem and we are working with residents, the building contractor, the energy company and our managing agents, Yorkshire Housing, to find a solution.

'We are confident that when these problems have been resolved, residents at Pavilion Gardens will benefit from lower bills in the future.


We had our face in the trough but others ate more than we did. Our models, however, project great savings by 2037. At which point our subsidiary companies will have been well and truly 'wound up'.

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I've seen these metric mix-ups before. It's OK when someone orders the wrong size boxes at work (it was hilarious, actually) - but when someone gives you 10 times the dose of something in hospital it's not so good!

Glad to see they've finally tracked him down. I think he should now go on a nationwide tour before being laid to rest at Middleham Castle.
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#17 Posted : 04 February 2013 21:37:55(UTC)
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Ha ha, and that froggish stuff is supposed to be simpler than ours Laugh

What if they really mean 6 to 8 feet, but don't know how to translate their foreign muck into English?

Ah well.

And who's certifying that this really is the Bad Lad of York? I have a hard time believing any of the new lot. We can't trust foreign-inspired half-wits; have they turned to any of our own who know what they're talking about?

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#18 Posted : 04 February 2013 21:43:07(UTC)
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Ha ha, and that froggish stuff is supposed to be simpler than ours Laugh

What if they really mean 6 to 8 feet, but don't know how to translate their foreign muck into English?

Ah well.

And who's certifying that this really is the Bad Lad of York? I have a hard time believing any of the new lot. We can't trust foreign-inspired half-wits; have they turned to any of our own who know what they're talking about?



Well, he had no feet, so he must be a foreigner.

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Ha ha, and that froggish stuff is supposed to be simpler than ours Laugh

What if they really mean 6 to 8 feet, but don't know how to translate their foreign muck into English?

Ah well.

And who's certifying that this really is the Bad Lad of York? I have a hard time believing any of the new lot. We can't trust foreign-inspired half-wits; have they turned to any of our own who know what they're talking about?



Well, he had no feet, so he must be a foreigner.
Laugh

Don't tell me ... I don't want to know how these pseudopods measure horse-height. Mellow

Actually I just perused the 'story' and see it's the bods at Leicester who ID the remains. I know there are good people there.

However, some of the other moderns get a bit carried away with their re-inscriptions, so careful consideration of the history is in order. I read up a lot while I was studying Margaret Beaufort (The King's Mother); she played a fascinating role in preserving her little boy Henry (VII) for Tudor Destiny. We know that a couple of advantages consolidated the end of a terrible Edward IV (a europhile if there ever was one), and the establishment of relative peace after more than half a century of 'Roses.' Regardless of modern bigotry against the Tudors, though, maybe we'll now enjoy a resurgence of Malory and Le Morte D'arthur - which Caxton (an Edward/Richard/Duchess of Burgundy man) printed at Westminster in 1485 BigGrin . Well, a person can hope....

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#20 Posted : 05 February 2013 00:13:00(UTC)
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Time he was back home in his allotment and six foot of Yorkshire earth, the Minster a fitting resting place for the last Plantagenet King.

Metric, is a pain who the hell thinks in litres in the pub?

F**k em, f**k metres and f**k the EU.
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