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#1 Posted : 03 February 2013 15:13:44(UTC)
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Send a badly-briefed girlie reporter, who did her basic training on the Hello Magazine, off to Reykjavik to cover an issue about which she clearly knows nothing, put the result in front of an ignorant editorial desk and the result is a badly-framed mish-mash, of which any reputable newspaper would be ashamed.

The lack of coherence, however, is not confined to the girlies, however, as the Sunday Express does just as badly, framing this as a biff-bam Iceland vs Britain story on the lines of the Cod War.

Thus to frame the story is completely to misunderstand what is going on. This is a four-way fight, between the EU and Norway on one side, and the Faroe Islands and Iceland on the other, with the EU and Norwegians having behaved in a disgusting fashion, having demanded 90 percent of a quote based on historic rights (track record), even though the fish had moved north into Faroese and Icelandic waters.

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#2 Posted : 03 February 2013 15:20:46(UTC)
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Might this be another of three areas of failure in EU policy/regulation that might provide a base for showing the teeming masses the difference between what is and what could be? Or is this too far removed since the final offending regulations will not truly be from the EU?
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Looks like the thought police are saddling up...

I wonder when they'll be paying informers? (as is the way of these things) - I'd like to claim my £500 to contribute to hosting fees etc....

EU Referendum.com on the menu no doubt :-)

unt fen fee haff zee list ....

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#5 Posted : 03 February 2013 16:01:01(UTC)
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Flapper An I reed Hello Magazine so I reelly no mi stuff!

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#6 Posted : 03 February 2013 16:19:17(UTC)
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Negotiating rights are reserved to the Fisheries Commissioner, Maria Damanaki, a Greek leftie politician, who seems more concerned with propagandising than ending the problem...



Without much knowledge of the political background of Maria Damanaki, may I hazard a guess as to some likely thinking processes?

I presume that the Greeks do not have a major interest in this dispute. But they DO have a major interest in assuring a constant supply of bail-out money from the EU. It is likely, therefore that they will offer a quid pro quo to those states WITH an interest - support OUR bid for more money from Germany, and we'll fight hard for you against the Norwegians and Faroese. Don't support us, and we may be much less successful. The actual real issues with fish will be irrelevant...

When I think about it, that is likely to be the case with ALL negotiations and agreements between EU countries. In every discussion there is likely to be a two-level set of pressures - those associated with the problem in hand, and those which are wholly disconnected with the problem, but which enable various scores to be settled or new favours arranged.

If we stay in the EU this is going to be the future of international relations. Balkan-type squabbling over a wide range of unconnected trifles every time anyone wants to do anything. I assume that this the Europhiles mean when they say "we will be stronger together..."
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Looks like the thought police are saddling up...

I wonder when they'll be paying informers? (as is the way of these things) - I'd like to claim my £500 to contribute to hosting fees etc....

EU Referendum.com on the menu no doubt :-)



This, presumably, is an update of the 2009 report of the same name. They have one for every EP election ... and still haven't mastered the art of rapid response. Last heard, they were still complaining about "true myths".

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#8 Posted : 03 February 2013 16:34:05(UTC)
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Negotiating rights are reserved to the Fisheries Commissioner, Maria Damanaki, a Greek leftie politician, who seems more concerned with propagandising than ending the problem...



Without much knowledge of the political background of Maria Damanaki, may I hazard a guess as to some likely thinking processes?

I presume that the Greeks do not have a major interest in this dispute. But they DO have a major interest in assuring a constant supply of bail-out money from the EU. It is likely, therefore that they will offer a quid pro quo to those states WITH an interest - support OUR bid for more money from Germany, and we'll fight hard for you against the Norwegians and Faroese. Don't support us, and we may be much less successful. The actual real issues with fish will be irrelevant...

When I think about it, that is likely to be the case with ALL negotiations and agreements between EU countries. In every discussion there is likely to be a two-level set of pressures - those associated with the problem in hand, and those which are wholly disconnected with the problem, but which enable various scores to be settled or new favours arranged.

If we stay in the EU this is going to be the future of international relations. Balkan-type squabbling over a wide range of unconnected trifles every time anyone wants to do anything. I assume that this the Europhiles mean when they say "we will be stronger together..."


Insiders seem to think that, even by commission standards, the woman is a train crash.

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Looks like the thought police are saddling up...

I wonder when they'll be paying informers? (as is the way of these things) - I'd like to claim my £500 to contribute to hosting fees etc....

EU Referendum.com on the menu no doubt :-)



This, presumably, is an update of the 2009 report of the same name. They have one for every EP election ... and still haven't mastered the art of rapid response. Last heard, they were still complaining about "true myths".



I guess Bruno is scratching about for something to file - reheating a 4 year old dish is pretty lame - but still, the overtones are quite over-ripe.

I wish there was a way to nettle "them" into pushing this approach - a spoof story about re-education camps, likewise offer of rewards for dobbing in off-message bloggers, fines, issuing an EAW for conduct likely to etc., etc.

Is there any area where "disrespect will not be tolerated"?



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#10 Posted : 03 February 2013 18:43:33(UTC)
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Flapper An I reed Hello Magazine so I reelly no mi stuff!



I try to be wary of the "Baader-Meinhof phenomenon", that as I get older I notice more things through experience and more knowledge. Rather like learning a new word then you notice it everywhere. I'm mindful, as you articulate Richard often, that newspapers have never been honest, but that there's a danger we think it was all different.

But then I think she's gone from Hello to the complexities of CFP and international law clearly without a clue. It has all turned crap hasn't it...? It's not just me?

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#11 Posted : 03 February 2013 19:00:27(UTC)
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I try to be wary of the "Baader-Meinhof phenomenon", that as I get older I notice more things through experience and more knowledge. Rather like learning a new word then you notice it everywhere. I'm mindful, as you articulate Richard often, that newspapers have never been honest, but that there's a danger we think it was all different.

But then I think she's gone from Hello to the complexities of CFP and international law clearly without a clue. It has all turned crap hasn't it...? It's not just me?





For today's Telegraph, I couldn't think of a better training than Hello Magazine. The worst of it is that there will be thousands of people out there who will lap up her guff and believe every word of it.

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Richard, this is just another example, in my opinion, of the feminisation of our national bodies; political, military, police, judiciary and media. Everything is based on emotions rather than logic. And this is a consequence of seeing everyone; men, women, blacks, asians, whites, Christians, muslims etc; as equal. Well, they are not. And one of these days normality will resume and the vermin who populate the upper echelons of power and influence and who disseminate such lies, will be relegated to the cess pit of ignorance, stupidity, and willful dissembling, from whence they emerged.
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Richard, this is just another example, in my opinion, of the feminisation of our national bodies; political, military, police, judiciary and media. Everything is based on emotions rather than logic. And this is a consequence of seeing everyone; men, women, blacks, asians, whites, Christians, muslims etc; as equal. Well, they are not. And one of these days normality will resume and the vermin who populate the upper echelons of power and influence and who disseminate such lies, will be relegated to the cess pit of ignorance, stupidity, and willful dissembling, from whence they emerged.




That's part of it. The other part is that young females are cheap and compliant. They will do as they are told, at the fraction of the cost of a specialist correspondent, and won't argue when they're given a stupid storyline.

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There are some things I have never understood about equality.

I cannot see how a man and a woman can be equal. They are different, of that there is no doubt, like comparing apples & oranges. Is either one better? I doubt it but they are not equal.
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There are some things I have never understood about equality.

I cannot see how a man and a woman can be equal. They are different, of that there is no doubt, like comparing apples & oranges. Is either one better? I doubt it but they are not equal.





There is certainly plenty of evidence that they can be equally stupid.

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There is certainly plenty of evidence that they can be equally stupid.



Not sure if I'm included in that but even if I am, I agree.
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There is certainly plenty of evidence that they can be equally stupid.



Not sure if I'm included in that but even if I am, I agree.



For the record, you're not!

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There are some things I have never understood about equality.

I cannot see how a man and a woman can be equal. They are different, of that there is no doubt, like comparing apples & oranges. Is either one better? I doubt it but they are not equal.



There is certainly plenty of evidence that they can be equally stupid.




I feel that I must defend my sex here. While women and men can no doubt provide equal levels of run-of-the-mill stupidness, I still maintain that for sheer boneheaded complete idiocy you need a man.

When everything else has collapsed around them, men still have that aggressive, competitive instinct which keeps them digging at the bottom of the hole even as the sides are falling in...
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Originally Posted by: john in cheshire Go to Quoted Post
Richard, this is just another example, in my opinion, of the feminisation of our national bodies; political, military, police, judiciary and media. Everything is based on emotions rather than logic. And this is a consequence of seeing everyone; men, women, blacks, asians, whites, Christians, muslims etc; as equal. Well, they are not.


Yep, you see it in sport as well, especially on the BBC. You get women reporters/commentators who obviously know nothing about the sport and are jsut reading from a script or autocue. It is quite obvious that not only do have no understanding for the sport, they have no passion for it either.

There is one useless bint (even more useless than the average useless bint) who covers the rugby and asked Martin Johnson (when he was England manager) a completely inane question after his team had lost, he just gave her a withering look and pushed past her.

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There are some things I have never understood about equality.

I cannot see how a man and a woman can be equal. They are different, of that there is no doubt, like comparing apples & oranges. Is either one better? I doubt it but they are not equal.



There is certainly plenty of evidence that they can be equally stupid.




I feel that I must defend my sex here. While women and men can no doubt provide equal levels of run-of-the-mill stupidness, I still maintain that for sheer boneheaded complete idiocy you need a man.

When everything else has collapsed around them, men still have that aggressive, competitive instinct which keeps them digging at the bottom of the hole even as the sides are falling in...




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