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#1 Posted : 02 February 2013 21:06:49(UTC)
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I don't think anyone I've spoken to about that debate has been in the least bit impressed by the performance of our MPs. Witterings was so depressed that he had to take a break.

It is not surprising therefore, that Booker – in and amongst a nightmare week that had BT scrambling his telephone lines – should find space in his column to remark on the vacuity of our MPs.

His piece starts, however, with the Ken Clarke show on Radio 4's Today programme, a more vacuous item it is hard to recall. This was the 12-minute interview last Thursday in which that battered old Euromaniac was excitably egged on by John Humphrys to explain why it would be "a fatal mistake" for Britain to leave the EU.

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#2 Posted : 02 February 2013 21:39:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
I don't think anyone I've spoken to about that debate has been in the least bit impressed by the performance of our MPs. Witterings was so depressed that he had to take a break.

It is not surprising therefore, that Booker – in and amongst a nightmare week that had BT scrambling his telephone lines – should find space in his column to remark on the vacuity of our MPs.

His piece starts, however, with the Ken Clarke show on Radio 4's Today programme, a more vacuous item it is hard to recall. This was the 12-minute interview last Thursday in which that battered old Euromaniac was excitably egged on by John Humphrys to explain why it would be "a fatal mistake" for Britain to leave the EU.



It would be good to see Clarke interviewed by someone skilled in the Socratic technique of asking questions which slough away the nonsense and reduce his position to the essentials, either self-interest or a statement of faith, or simply a mire of nonsense. Of course the Socratic technique involves understanding the interviewee's position at least as well as he does and assumes a hostile intent.

A dolly bowled to a worthy member of the club who sent it for a four, not that it was likely to demolish the wicket or that the umpires were particularly enquiring into what was a boundary and what wasn't.

It simply isn't cricket.

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#3 Posted : 03 February 2013 00:02:16(UTC)
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When I see John Bercow I'm reminded of Ronnie Corbett, who was, so they say, the shortest RAF officer on record. Corbett as comedian played up to his stature by sitting in an enormous chair and telling daft stories. By contrast Bercow just sits in an enormous chair and is daft, stupid even. An ideal Leader/Speaker of the House.

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#4 Posted : 03 February 2013 02:17:27(UTC)
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One of the heaviest prices we have paid for handing over the running of our country to this system centred in Brussels is that our MPs have lost all ability to think for themselves, or to do enough homework to allow them to relate to the real world.


This, given an 'out' vote, will be the biggest problem we face - finding a new generation that can actually do their job. After so many years of acting as middle men, one can see why they so fear having to take back responsibility.

Who knows, millions might start to re-engage with politics and use their vote. No more bland 'middle ground consensus' sandpit for 600 half wits to play within.
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#5 Posted : 03 February 2013 03:52:26(UTC)
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Cavities will resonate with any signal source striking a wavelength that fits. Regardless of the signal coming from Brussels or the cavity's "advisor".

Perhaps "advisor" is the wrong word.... I got it: "Ventriloquist" is a closer fit.
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#6 Posted : 03 February 2013 11:23:11(UTC)
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Who knows, millions might start to re-engage with politics and use their vote. No more bland 'middle ground consensus' sandpit for 600 half wits to play within.

Then what happens is that we would get the "unity narrative" - the "liberal" media (particularly the BBC) would describe the country as "politically divided" because to socialists "unity" is the most important thing. Any differences in opinion is regarded as undesirable and must be eliminated, as opposed to accommodated.

This is what has happened in the USA. The liberal media accuses the Tea Party of stirring up trouble and presents it as a case of "we would all be living in peace and harmony if it weren't for all these pesky right wingers".

This is the paradox of modern politics. People would engage more in politics if they could air their differences, but if they air their differences this is seen as a symptom of a divided society and therefore undesirable.

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#7 Posted : 03 February 2013 11:50:04(UTC)
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Not one, for instance, was aware that for Cameron to get his "re-negotiation" would, under the Lisbon Treaty, require a new treaty, involving procedures so lengthy that they would last way past his 2017 deadline.


This is an example of one of the many "insurmountable problems" which Cameron appears to have ignored, or is blissfully unaware of.
Leaving aside for a moment the position of Lisbon and Article 50, I have yet to learn from any source (you may have dealt with this Richard?) any in depth comment on the whole issue of the legitimacy of the EU Commission as a "negotiating body".
The question arises, how can anybody, or even any legitimate representative of a democratic state, negotiate with an unelected, self appointed, unaccountable, "rogue" body?
Be it Barosso, Rumpy, Ashton et al - none of them have any democratic legitimacy - they have no authority to represent anything or anbody. In fact, in my book they are nothing more than private individuals at best, or arrogant usurpers at worst. Why do weak minded British politicians assume such legitimacy?

They need to say to these jumped up self appointees - WHO THE HELL ARE YOU, and what right democratic right do you have to assume some sort of power or authority over democratically elected representatives?

It also begs the question as to what is really meant by our politicians "giving", or ceding power to such a body.
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#8 Posted : 03 February 2013 12:39:50(UTC)
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Richard

I've just read last week's Booker, (and therefore this might already be sorted), but can you mention to him that the PDSI stands for Palmer Drought Severity Index, and not Preston. It might avoid problems from the trolls.

Also he says that the 2012 drought in the US was the worst for 75 years. Actually it is nowhere near as bad as that. The droughts in 2000, 1954 and 1955 were much worse.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov...&state=110&div=0


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Originally Posted by: Paul Homewood Go to Quoted Post
Richard

I've just read last week's Booker, (and therefore this might already be sorted), but can you mention to him that the PDSI stands for Palmer Drought Severity Index, and not Preston. It might avoid problems from the trolls.

Also he says that the 2012 drought in the US was the worst for 75 years. Actually it is nowhere near as bad as that. The droughts in 2000, 1954 and 1955 were much worse.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov...&state=110&div=0


Paul


Thanks ... it's been corrected on the web site.

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#10 Posted : 03 February 2013 14:18:22(UTC)
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Dominic Raab, my local MP, was "...advising on EU and WTO law" amongst other things.
He should know a little about the workings of the EU etc.
Haven't heard a word...
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