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#1 Posted : 01 February 2013 13:55:20(UTC)
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The Lord Ashcroft has made the Press Association with his commentary on the effect of the Cameron speech.

Based on a recent private poll, he concludes that the speech "has cheered Conservative supporters, but done little to improve the party's chances of success at the next general election". It has not, he says, "unleashed a desire for an overall Conservative majority".

Thus, Labour is still in the lead, on 38 percent, the Tories get 33 percent, the Lib-Dems 11 percent, UKIP nine and "others" nine. A small increase in the Tory vote is attributed to an increase in those who voted Conservative in 2010, coming back to the fold.

As regards "Europe", the noble Lord observes that the upsurge in debate about the EU in advance of the high-profile speech appears to have bolstered pro-European sentiments.

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#2 Posted : 01 February 2013 14:18:00(UTC)
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Add to this the boundary vote, and the prospect of a Conservative win at the next election begins to look so unlikely that the referendum promise will have little immediate traction.


And add to this the many hundreds of thousands of people, from all faith communiities, including moslems who have protested in very strong terms about Cameron's "gay marriage" proposals. MPs are acknowledging that this protest is filling their postbags more than any other single issue. Given also that DC has now been exposed as a brazen liar in that he specifically assured the electorate, in answer to a direct question, that he "was not planning to change the law on this".
He gave that assurance only three days before the last GE and publicly on TV.
As usual, you will read very little reporting on this in the MSM, but solid opposition to it is growing.
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#3 Posted : 01 February 2013 14:18:47(UTC)
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Electoral Calculus predicts a Labour majority of 96 on current showings, and a comfortable labour win seems about right.

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

A few months back Ashcroft commissioned a report on voting intentions and motivations which showed that the EU was not the sole reason for the leaking to UKIP, so policy on the EU was not the complete answer.

http://conservativehome....oft_the_ukip_threat.html

And so it turns out. Cameron's speech has cheered the faithful but hasn't done much else.

Cameron's personal popularity is curious. He's certainly the reason a lot of Conservatives are drifting away.

I wonder if it's comparative, Miliband being a nonentity.

As for the upsurge in propaganda, it looks to be directed at killing the idea of a referendum, which on current showing, even with a clear Conservative win, would be a diluted and rigged affair.

With the two main political parties and the whole establishment in favour of continued EU membership, it's always been my belief that this will be steeered largely by events outside the UK.
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#4 Posted : 01 February 2013 16:19:53(UTC)
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As I have repeatedly posted before, it does not matter who votes, nor how they vote. It only matters who COUNTS the votes. Or are your elections officials in East Pondia actually so much more honorable than those on the West Side?
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As I have repeatedly posted before, it does not matter who votes, nor how they vote. It only matters who COUNTS the votes. Or are your elections officials in East Pondia actually so much more honorable than those on the West Side?



I don't think there's much evidence of the counts being corrupt. There was an election where a BNP candidate apparently won (it may have been Solihull) but after several recounts it was decided they hadn't. There was a Vote Early, Vote often culture in Northern Ireland.

It's more subtle than fiddling the counts. Postal vote fraud

http://www.dailymail.co....ction.html#axzz2JgU5Tx6z

The electoral boundary question.

Dodgy donations e.g.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/...it-by-fresh-dodgy-756274

Where the Lib Dems were in receipt of £2.4 million which were the proceeds of a fraud, but they refused to pay it back (they would have ceased to exist) and they weren't forced to by the courts.

Political manipulations done entirely for electoral advantage, such as the devolutionary settlement.
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#6 Posted : 02 February 2013 04:07:28(UTC)
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Oh I am sick of this egregious Left/Right business; and I shall be so glad if HA can start to move us out of the one-party's 'party' flim-flam. Why all these spin merchants think they're taking anybody in beats me. Have they convinced themselves that we don't buy their papers because we feel sorry for the trees? Or is it just that, like all idiots, they think everyone's as limited and mechanical as they are?

Thanks to Comet, also, on the vote/ballot fraud.
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#7 Posted : 02 February 2013 07:35:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: euSSR Go Home Go to Quoted Post
Oh I am sick of this egregious Left/Right business; and I shall be so glad if HA can start to move us out of the one-party's 'party' flim-flam. Why all these spin merchants think they're taking anybody in beats me. Have they convinced themselves that we don't buy their papers because we feel sorry for the trees? Or is it just that, like all idiots, they think everyone's as limited and mechanical as they are?

Thanks to Comet, also, on the vote/ballot fraud.



The "bubble effect" should never be discounted. And seeing things from within the bubble heavily distorts their perceptions.

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