Originally Posted by: richard 
Originally Posted by: pipesmoker 
The media give Clarke air time, the man who didn't read the Maastricht Treaty, but ignore an excellent speech yesterday by John Redwood which as far as I am aware has gone unreported?
This?
Quote:That is why we need a Government who resolutely negotiate a new relationship for us with our partners in Europe. Of course, I give no ground to anybody in wanting to maximise jobs and investment in this country, and my recommendations would increase that rather than reduce them, as we find with non-EU members already. However, I also wish to see the Prime Minister’s great speech used as a platform for setting out how we recreate a democracy and secure the right in this House to say no to European laws if we do not like them.
You mean the usual lame crap from a dishonest Tory MP? This is a man who dresses his words up in fine rhetoric, but knows full well that what he advocates cannot be achieved. In many ways, he is worse than the europhiles.
His position is that in 1975 he read the treaties and decided that the European Project was not about a free market but was a political project and so voted against it.
He has consistently voted against ever closer union since then.
He has no faith in the Euro, seeing it as a political measure designed to create a crisis to force further integration.
He has long advocated going to 'Europe' with a set of demands to renegotiate and putting the question of the continued membership on those terms to the British people in a referendum. A refusal to negotiate would be the degenerate case of renegotiation and should be put to the British people in a referendum.
The present Tory policy of offering renegotiation after they win, is the best they can do with current political realities, and is a vindication of the policy he's advocated all along.
Sounds good so far as it goes, but there's lots of wriggle room. The grey area is the political will and the propaganda effort involved. Assuming the political will to go to Brussels, demand this and that. be refused, and put the outrageous refusal to even consider the British position as a choice in a referendum, assumes rather a lot.
I think it's a clever version of walking the Tory tightrope.
I've no doubt he wants us out, but he's a Tory first. If he wanted an easy life, he wouldn't run a blog and hewouldn't answer questions as he does and he'd leave 'Europe' well alone.
As for his dishonesty over 'Europe', well he's a practical politician and a Tory MP. Dishonesty over 'Europe' is what the Tories are about. One might ask why anyone seeing the EU as the fundamental issue in British politics and wanting out, would be a Tory MP. There's a dilemma - apart from on narrow grounds of seeing their pals desert them and losing a good living - do they stick to a practical force in politics which might conceivably be steered in the direction they want, or do they make a break and join UKIP? Redwood and Farage would be a poisonous and probably explosive combination.
If you are a Tory MP opposed to the EU, you may be doing it as a Judas Goat, expecting to lead a short life with no prospects of advancement, or biding your time as Redwood seems to be doing.
I don't know quite what to make of the man, but I am tempted to make comparisons between him and Patterson.