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#1 Posted : 31 January 2013 13:37:25(UTC)
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On top of the Ken Clarke extravaganza, who is given a free ride on the BBC Radio 4 Today Programme for nearly twelve minutes, we are seeing evidence of the corporate scare machine cranking up into high gear, in what appears to be an attempt to head off an EU referendum altogether.

Mostly, they are not even attempting to arguing the case for remaining in the EU (mostly, one assumes, because the case is so poor). Rather, they are attacking the very idea of having a referendum. The corporates – in their own minds – are supreme, and the thought of us little plebs being allowed a vote fills them with terror.

Thus we have the parasites PwC spreading their anti-democratic poison in the corporate rag MoneyMarketing. Parasite-in-chief, PwC hedge fund leader Rob Mellor, is allowed to bleat: "A UK asset management industry outside of Europe may face obstacles to the continued management of assets for EU-based investors. This is a fundamental risk to the growth of the industry".

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#2 Posted : 31 January 2013 13:50:30(UTC)
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I wonder if this is aimed at the Labour Party, to persuade them not to be tempted into bidding contest with the Tories over a referendum? That really would put it on the agenda. They won't need much persuading. They don't want to do it anyway and Cameron's stance on 'Europe' doesn't look likely to swing the election for him.
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#3 Posted : 31 January 2013 14:15:29(UTC)
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The media give Clarke air time, the man who didn't read the Maastricht Treaty, but ignore an excellent speech yesterday by John Redwood which as far as I am aware has gone unreported?
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In a way this is rather funny. I can remember the Ted Heath remark "who governs Britain", trotted out in response to industrial unrest. Poor old Ted, not the sharpest tool in the shed, soon found out that the voters decided that come what may they did not want him to do the job so out he went.

Now all these year later and still stuck with Ted's mess, the EU, we now find that undue pressure upon our democracy comes not from the trade unions but the corporate power blocs. But as before this external force aims to ride over the voter and get its way by force.
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#5 Posted : 31 January 2013 14:58:10(UTC)
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I followed the BBC News link and came across this as the first paragraph:

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Britain's membership of the European Union is a divisive issue, but many Conservative and Labour ministers are in agreement that the UK should remain within it.


Is this some Freudian slip or do we already have Labour ministers working behind the scenes?
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#6 Posted : 31 January 2013 15:02:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pipesmoker Go to Quoted Post
The media give Clarke air time, the man who didn't read the Maastricht Treaty, but ignore an excellent speech yesterday by John Redwood which as far as I am aware has gone unreported?


This?

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That is why we need a Government who resolutely negotiate a new relationship for us with our partners in Europe. Of course, I give no ground to anybody in wanting to maximise jobs and investment in this country, and my recommendations would increase that rather than reduce them, as we find with non-EU members already. However, I also wish to see the Prime Minister’s great speech used as a platform for setting out how we recreate a democracy and secure the right in this House to say no to European laws if we do not like them.


You mean the usual lame crap from a dishonest Tory MP? This is a man who dresses his words up in fine rhetoric, but knows full well that what he advocates cannot be achieved. In many ways, he is worse than the europhiles.

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professor John Van Reenen (good English name that)



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by coincidence, we also see a piece from Helen Szamuely




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Originally Posted by: ELF Go to Quoted Post
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professor John Van Reenen (good English name that)



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by coincidence, we also see a piece from Helen Szamuely







The "good English name" is telling us that the Britain should stay in the EU .... Confused



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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
The "good English name" is telling us that the Britain should stay in the EU .... Confused


If we have information on his nationality, e.g if he is Dutch, that’s relevant. Having foreigners tell us what to do on this is out.

He’s talking shyte. But the non anglo-saxon nature of his name, per se, no more invalidates what he is saying than Helen’s family name invalidates what she says.

Added :

There’s also the converse of this. We have a Canadian coming in to head the BoE. Mark Carney doesn’t sound worryingly foreign. There’s also been speculation that a Yank would head the Met and we could have foreign chief constables. It’s obvious where this is going. As things get difficult, TPTB want people at the top of public organisations to have zero roots with the people. They might well do it in 2 steps, with anglo-saxon types to begin with, then EU-ers later.

So, you could say that the name/nationality distinction is nit picking, but I’m suggesting it matters.

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#10 Posted : 31 January 2013 18:36:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
The "good English name" is telling us that the Britain should stay in the EU .... Confused


If we have information on his nationality, e.g if he is Dutch, that’s relevant. Having foreigners tell us what to do on this is out.

He’s talking shyte. But the non anglo-saxon nature of his name, per se, no more invalidates what he is saying than Helen’s family name invalidates what she says.

Added :

There’s also the converse of this. We have a Canadian coming in to head the BoE. Mark Carney doesn’t sound worryingly foreign. There’s also been speculation that a Yank would head the Met and we could have foreign chief constables. It’s obvious where this is going. As things get difficult, TPTB want people at the top of public organisations to have zero roots with the people. They might well do it in 2 steps, with anglo-saxon types to begin with, then EU-ers later.

So, you could say that the name/nationality distinction is nit picking, but I’m suggesting it matters.



I have attempted to find his place of birth, but he is remarkably coy about it in his cvs.

Currently he has an interesting background .. as well as the LSE, he is also a senior consultant for Charles River Associates

http://www.crai.co.uk/Pr...tingdetails.aspx?id=3536

... "a leading global consulting firm that offers economic, financial, and business management expertise to major law firms, corporations, accounting firms, and governments around the world".

He claims to be British, and is British-educated, and claims English and French for his languages. He is a Research Affiliate Study of Poverty and Inequality Center at Stanford University and a Senior Research Associate Harvard Labor and Worklife Program (since 2006), and records having worked for the EU Commission. He thus strikes me as one of these rootless tranzie creature ... a Dutch (or South African?) name fits the identi-kit persona of the tranzi, part of the classic make-up.


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#11 Posted : 31 January 2013 19:57:11(UTC)
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According to Who's Who of Economics - John Van Reenen born 1965, Carlisle, UK

http://books.google.co.u...z2h5yShyXjhwCw&hl=en

Edit - speeeeling

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#12 Posted : 31 January 2013 21:07:23(UTC)
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According to Who's Who of Economics - John Van Reenen born 1965, Carlisle, UK

http://books.google.co.u...z2h5yShyXjhwCw&hl=en

Edit - speeeeling



Well done! The last place on earth I would have expected.

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#13 Posted : 31 January 2013 22:29:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pipesmoker Go to Quoted Post
The media give Clarke air time, the man who didn't read the Maastricht Treaty, but ignore an excellent speech yesterday by John Redwood which as far as I am aware has gone unreported?


This?

Quote:
That is why we need a Government who resolutely negotiate a new relationship for us with our partners in Europe. Of course, I give no ground to anybody in wanting to maximise jobs and investment in this country, and my recommendations would increase that rather than reduce them, as we find with non-EU members already. However, I also wish to see the Prime Minister’s great speech used as a platform for setting out how we recreate a democracy and secure the right in this House to say no to European laws if we do not like them.


You mean the usual lame crap from a dishonest Tory MP? This is a man who dresses his words up in fine rhetoric, but knows full well that what he advocates cannot be achieved. In many ways, he is worse than the europhiles.


His position is that in 1975 he read the treaties and decided that the European Project was not about a free market but was a political project and so voted against it.

He has consistently voted against ever closer union since then.

He has no faith in the Euro, seeing it as a political measure designed to create a crisis to force further integration.

He has long advocated going to 'Europe' with a set of demands to renegotiate and putting the question of the continued membership on those terms to the British people in a referendum. A refusal to negotiate would be the degenerate case of renegotiation and should be put to the British people in a referendum.

The present Tory policy of offering renegotiation after they win, is the best they can do with current political realities, and is a vindication of the policy he's advocated all along.

Sounds good so far as it goes, but there's lots of wriggle room. The grey area is the political will and the propaganda effort involved. Assuming the political will to go to Brussels, demand this and that. be refused, and put the outrageous refusal to even consider the British position as a choice in a referendum, assumes rather a lot.

I think it's a clever version of walking the Tory tightrope.

I've no doubt he wants us out, but he's a Tory first. If he wanted an easy life, he wouldn't run a blog and hewouldn't answer questions as he does and he'd leave 'Europe' well alone.

As for his dishonesty over 'Europe', well he's a practical politician and a Tory MP. Dishonesty over 'Europe' is what the Tories are about. One might ask why anyone seeing the EU as the fundamental issue in British politics and wanting out, would be a Tory MP. There's a dilemma - apart from on narrow grounds of seeing their pals desert them and losing a good living - do they stick to a practical force in politics which might conceivably be steered in the direction they want, or do they make a break and join UKIP? Redwood and Farage would be a poisonous and probably explosive combination.

If you are a Tory MP opposed to the EU, you may be doing it as a Judas Goat, expecting to lead a short life with no prospects of advancement, or biding your time as Redwood seems to be doing.

I don't know quite what to make of the man, but I am tempted to make comparisons between him and Patterson.







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I don't know quite what to make of the man, but I am tempted to make comparisons between him and Paterson.









Chalk and cheese.

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