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#1 Posted : 30 January 2013 12:26:09(UTC)
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So the spotlight on Norway continues, bringing to light this review of the functioning of the EEA. It was issued in Brussels on 7 December last year by the European Commission and, but for events, would have remained (for us) just another one of the thousands of documents pumped out by the EU each year, for which there simply isn't time to read.

This one, mercifully, is only seventeen pages, and even then we get a helpful summary in EurActiv, telling us that Norway is failing to live up to its obligations as a member of the European Economic Area (EEA), including imposing extra taxes on EU products and not implementing more than 400 directives.

In the report, Norway is also being criticised for imposing tariffs on EU products from 2013 and resisting "EU efforts for ambitious liberalisation" of the EU's single market. Complains the Commission: "This situation might thus lead to competitive advantages for operators based in the EEA-EFTA countries, and more fundamentally risks undermining the legal certainty and homogeneity of the single market".

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#2 Posted : 30 January 2013 13:51:41(UTC)
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"They don't want Britain to enjoy the same competitive advantages as Norway. "


And of course, that "they" includes your very own "leadership" at all levels and in all major parties. As well as your Media, whether privately owned like the dead-tree mongers or State like your vaunted Beebe...
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#3 Posted : 30 January 2013 14:32:13(UTC)
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The Norwegians are not quite the innocents that they would like to make out, and seem to be playing a very successful game of protecting their own national interests, without people realising what they are doing.
It takes two to tango. If the EU leaders and media stopped pretending that Norway was a fax democracy Norway's self interest would be there for all to see.
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#4 Posted : 30 January 2013 15:41:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gareth Go to Quoted Post
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The Norwegians are not quite the innocents that they would like to make out, and seem to be playing a very successful game of protecting their own national interests, without people realising what they are doing.
It takes two to tango. If the EU leaders and media stopped pretending that Norway was a fax democracy Norway's self interest would be there for all to see.



Yes - there is an element of self delusion throughout the whole issue. They see Norway as a weak supplicant, because that's the way they want to see it.

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#5 Posted : 30 January 2013 15:48:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gareth Go to Quoted Post
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The Norwegians are not quite the innocents that they would like to make out, and seem to be playing a very successful game of protecting their own national interests, without people realising what they are doing.
It takes two to tango. If the EU leaders and media stopped pretending that Norway was a fax democracy Norway's self interest would be there for all to see.


Is Norway dismissed as a fax democracy, apart from strictly for the benefit of the UK audience?

It looks as if Norway and Switzerland are a definite stone in the shoe of The Colleagues and they are being pressured to come within the fold.

With the UK out of the EU and likely finding common cause with Norway and Switzerland the stone would be a lot bigger.

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#6 Posted : 30 January 2013 15:51:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: comet Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: gareth Go to Quoted Post
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The Norwegians are not quite the innocents that they would like to make out, and seem to be playing a very successful game of protecting their own national interests, without people realising what they are doing.
It takes two to tango. If the EU leaders and media stopped pretending that Norway was a fax democracy Norway's self interest would be there for all to see.


Is Norway dismissed as a fax democracy, apart from strictly for the benefit of the UK audience?

It looks as if Norway and Switzerland are a definite stone in the shoe of The Colleagues and they are being pressured to come within the fold.

With the UK out of the EU and likely finding common cause with Norway and Switzerland the stone would be a lot bigger.




I think that is exactly the issue. The very last thing the "colleagues" want is for Britain to break its bonds and become as active and as powerful as Norway.

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#7 Posted : 30 January 2013 16:41:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: gareth Go to Quoted Post
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The Norwegians are not quite the innocents that they would like to make out, and seem to be playing a very successful game of protecting their own national interests, without people realising what they are doing.
It takes two to tango. If the EU leaders and media stopped pretending that Norway was a fax democracy Norway's self interest would be there for all to see.



Yes - there is an element of self delusion throughout the whole issue. They see Norway as a weak supplicant, because that's the way they want to see it.



I'd say it was the nature of baloney, which is statements put out to get people to believe something and act in a certain way, not a position to be analysed. Analysis is fatal as it rapidly shows that accepting the baloney requires two mutually exclusive things to be true at once. What's at the bottom of it is a political intention and the words are just a way to force that. It's a bit like advertising, they rarely extend a rational argument as to why you should buy their product, it's assertion and attempting to associate it with desirable things.

I'm not sure it's even self-delusion. I doubt Cameron knows, or wants to know, much about the EU apart from that he doesn't want us to leave. The Norway lack of influence stuff is just something he has to say.

Back in the days when there was a prospect of the UK joining the Euro, we were told the GBP was too small to survive on its own. What about the Danish Krone? That's too small to matter, so the same arguments don't apply.

I think what's behind this is that TPTB want us to remain in the EU, mainly for private and venal reasons. The Norway fax democracy claptrap sounds pretty good and it's one of their best shots, so it can't be abandoned. The killer is that on a superficial comparison, there's nothing wrong with Norway, and there are a plenty of EU states in a serious condition.




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#8 Posted : 30 January 2013 16:58:38(UTC)
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I think great efforts will now be made to reinforce Camerons untruthful position on Norway. The reality of protracted negotiating positions, they're ahead of the curve.
It's a cornerstone and every effort will be made to defend it.

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#9 Posted : 30 January 2013 17:06:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: flyinthesky Go to Quoted Post
I think great efforts will now be made to reinforce Camerons untruthful position on Norway. The reality of protracted negotiating positions, they're ahead of the curve.
It's a cornerstone and every effort will be made to defend it.



At least we know what our target is.

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#10 Posted : 30 January 2013 17:47:09(UTC)
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No matter how often they try to paint Norway and Switzerland as weak victims, everyone knows they are both stinking rich and lovely places to live, whereas vast swathes of their beloved EU are fast turning into 3rd world hell holes.

So every time some dolt tries the victim approach, they just sound bonkers.
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#11 Posted : 30 January 2013 19:32:33(UTC)
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No matter how often they try to paint Norway and Switzerland as weak victims, everyone knows they are both stinking rich and lovely places to live, whereas vast swathes of their beloved EU are fast turning into 3rd world hell holes.

So every time some dolt tries the victim approach, they just sound bonkers.


The essence of this situation and why there's so much publicity about Swiss and Norwegian non compliance is the eu cannot tolerate nations being associated but not subsumed, making a sucess of thier nations finances, it defies the intent. It poses a future that's not on message. One that other nations could be attracted to. That same situation apart from our financial contribution, is the basis for the eu to want the UK to remain.

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#12 Posted : 30 January 2013 20:20:14(UTC)
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The Norwegians are not quite the innocents that they would like to make out, and seem to be playing a very successful game of protecting their own national interests, without people realising what they are doing. It is no wonder that so many want the UK to stay in the EU. They don't want Britain to enjoy the same competitive advantages as Norway.


All this is very interesting stuff, we need somehow to press this home - ie: how Norway benefits by NOT being part of the EU - they get what they want - no worries. Britain, just pays the bills.

I believe that, Cameron et al have provided us with an open goal - but the ball is at our feet, we must make sure it is booted into that gaping goal.

Britain, does want to be like Norway, at the moment even Cyprus has a greater say in the EU and what goes on in Brussels, courtesy of being a member of the Eurozone.

Honestly, we are just the fekking skivvies - the lumpen galley slaves - we pull the oars but get no say, whereas the Viking culture dictates - if you pull an oar - you get a say in what and where the boat sails.

THUS: We must withdraw from the EU and get our rights [to sit at the big table] back.

Simples innit.
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#13 Posted : 31 January 2013 04:38:25(UTC)
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Is there such a jurnal as EurRadioActiv?

Silly post, I know but couldn't resist.
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#14 Posted : 31 January 2013 08:21:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
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The Norwegians are not quite the innocents that they would like to make out, and seem to be playing a very successful game of protecting their own national interests, without people realising what they are doing. It is no wonder that so many want the UK to stay in the EU. They don't want Britain to enjoy the same competitive advantages as Norway.


All this is very interesting stuff, we need somehow to press this home - ie: how Norway benefits by NOT being part of the EU - they get what they want - no worries. Britain, just pays the bills.

I believe that, Cameron et al have provided us with an open goal - but the ball is at our feet, we must make sure it is booted into that gaping goal.

Britain, does want to be like Norway, at the moment even Cyprus has a greater say in the EU and what goes on in Brussels, courtesy of being a member of the Eurozone.

Honestly, we are just the fekking skivvies - the lumpen galley slaves - we pull the oars but get no say, whereas the Viking culture dictates - if you pull an oar - you get a say in what and where the boat sails.

THUS: We must withdraw from the EU and get our rights [to sit at the big table] back.

Simples innit.



It is good and bad, according to the natives ... there is considerable resentment over membership of the EEA, with the "no" group constantly agitating for a revision of the agreement.

http://www.neitileu.no/a...area_a_real_heartbreaker

It is perverse that they are campaigning against something which we would aspire to.

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