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#1 Posted : 29 January 2013 16:25:51(UTC)
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Russia Today recently devoted its Cross Talk programme to the EU referendum issue, with Robert Oulds from the Bruges Group, Tony Halpin from The Times and MEP Georges Chatzimarkakis, hosted by Peter Lavelle.

The video clip was brought to my attention by a reader who noted with delight how Oulds had managed argue to the point about Norway's "influence" on Single Market legislation.

But what is equally of interest is the intensity with which Tony Halpin defends the "no influence" pitch. He simply won't have it that EFTA/EEA countries have the ability to influence and even block EU law.

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#2 Posted : 29 January 2013 18:20:49(UTC)
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Isolated AND surrounded by water!
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#3 Posted : 29 January 2013 18:26:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: In2minds Go to Quoted Post
Isolated AND surrounded by water!




Do you think the fish feel isolated?

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#4 Posted : 29 January 2013 18:52:54(UTC)
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Isolated and all in our splendidness.
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#5 Posted : 29 January 2013 19:36:17(UTC)
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Chatzimarkakis doesn't seem to like Britain does he? He even mentions "further integration". What part of "further integration" does the political class not understand? Or more likely they do understand but choose to ignore that statement. Chatzimarkakis is lying through his teeth isn't he about trade. Well done to Oulds for pulling him on this. Also for Oulds slagging off Halpin and mentioning that Norway have recently vetoed an EU diktat on energy. Oulds yet again slags Chatzimarkakis off on carbon trading saying that it has destroyed real jobs in the UK. Chatzimarkakis is just in complete denial, a complete idiot or just a plain liar throughout. At least Halpin does mention that we are not happy with democratic accountability, or lack of, withing the EU. But he still wants to stay in the EU! I listened to all of it and it was a pretty performance by Oulds (in my opinion anyway).
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The fish: surprising as it may seem they are not keen on the Common Fisheries policy. However, not wishing to appear churlish are staunch supporters of the EU notion of free movement of goods and services with the proviso this also includes themselves and their favourite food. There is also the deep seated fear that climate change may encourage sharks to move to what they regard as their territory. Having said that aggressive reaction, such as cod wars, have no appeal to them.
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I usually have two tabs open, one the main page and the blog comments.

Strangely, the main page shows the wrong video for this article. Clicking through to the article page does show the correct video.

My feeling was that they didn't really want Oulds telling the real story and he was never allowed to complete any points he wanted to make although he did try.
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#8 Posted : 29 January 2013 21:45:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post

But what is equally of interest is the intensity with which Tony Halpin defends the "no influence" pitch. He simply won't have it that EFTA/EEA countries have the ability to influence and even block EU law.


Rather like climate alarmists arguing to assert the validity of complicated computer models, of which they show little general understanding.

They see it as a pivotal piece in the game, which if it is taken, will result in at best, a disorderly retreat.

I see this "no influence" thing as a Westminster Bubble argument. For people outside the bubble, it's hard to see what good this "influence" has done. General hangers onto the EU see it as a piece to be defended at any cost - well for them, the alternative to not defending it is completely unattractive and at least a step into the unknown, so they chant the mantra.

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#9 Posted : 29 January 2013 22:23:59(UTC)
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AAAARRRGGHHH!

Not on John. And I'm getting fed up with this. I write serious blog, and I want serious comments, not full of expletives. Mod.

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#10 Posted : 29 January 2013 22:54:20(UTC)
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[quote=John Archer;9537]AAAARRRGGHHH!

.... sorry ... tone it down. Mod

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#11 Posted : 30 January 2013 08:15:13(UTC)
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I should not encourage you John [not that you are in need of succour], Richard left it up and therefore I will comment - definitely - a poets heart.


All power to your 'pen'.
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#12 Posted : 30 January 2013 09:50:39(UTC)
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It's like being back at school.

Join the gang or they'll pick on you.

Do you want to be alone and friendless?

Misery loves company.
Please hold: your call is important to us.
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#13 Posted : 30 January 2013 09:55:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
I should not encourage you John [not that you are in need of succour], Richard left it up and therefore I will comment - definitely - a poets heart.


All power to your 'pen'.


I was too engaged with other things, and missed it. I really wish John would take more care. I am not his nanny, and I resent having to watch comments to check that they are acceptable. I say again, I am not John's nanny. Let's have some self-restraint here, and a sense of discipline.

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#14 Posted : 30 January 2013 12:34:22(UTC)
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This Euractiv link confirms Norway's frequent non-compliance with EU decisions & occasional flat-out rejection of them. But it seems the EU is now considering retaliating, including challenging Norway's continued membership of the EEA. None-the-less, it shows that EEA member Norway has had considerable discretionary room in how it reacts to EU decisions (at least up to now) compared to those countries which are unfortunate enough to be actual EU members. See:
http://www.euractiv.com/...selfish-norw-news-517431

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#15 Posted : 30 January 2013 13:01:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Watchet Go to Quoted Post
This Euractiv link confirms Norway's frequent non-compliance with EU decisions & occasional flat-out rejection of them. But it seems the EU is now considering retaliating, including challenging Norway's continued membership of the EEA. None-the-less, it shows that EEA member Norway has had considerable discretionary room in how it reacts to EU decisions (at least up to now) compared to those countries which are unfortunate enough to be actual EU members. See:
http://www.euractiv.com/...selfish-norw-news-517431

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Now blogged ... thanks.

http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83569
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#16 Posted : 30 January 2013 13:05:11(UTC)
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OK, though it's a shame Comet's forensic analysis was deleted.

It's odd that human beings are so given over to convention of one sort or another. One one side we have a gang of criminals in the process of destroying whole nations and trailing abject misery in their wake but we just discuss their activities. Then on the other, someone breaks an arbitrary convention about marks on paper or short disturbances in the air around us that leave no trace and are detectable only with a highly sensitive organ yet we react with immediate uproar.

expletive deleted - mod



P.S. OT: Someone's poured treacle over the blog. The cogs are turning very slowly today. Isn't there a big rubber band somewhere that might need winding up again — maybe that's the problem?

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#17 Posted : 30 January 2013 13:27:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: John Archer Go to Quoted Post
OK, though it's a shame Comet's forensic analysis was deleted.

It's odd that human beings are so given over to convention of one sort or another. One one side we have a gang of criminals in the process of destroying whole nations and trailing abject misery in their wake but we just discuss their activities. Then on the other, someone breaks an arbitrary convention about marks on paper or short disturbances in the air around us that leave no trace and are detectable only with a highly sensitive organ yet we react with immediate uproar.

expletive deleted - mod



P.S. OT: Someone's poured treacle over the blog. The cogs are turning very slowly today. Isn't there a big rubber band somewhere that might need winding up again — maybe that's the problem?



John ... your saner input is appreciated, but your effect overall is to drive away other forum members, and potential forum members. You have been told that, yet seem to consider that your desire to indulge in verbal incontinence is more important that the continuance of this forum. Well, if you can't control yourself, then it come to a parting of the ways. I will not accept overt expressions of racism, etc., the high rate of expletives and other joys to which you subject us.

This is not negotiable, and not open to debate. Sort it, or go elsewhere.

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