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#1 Posted : 26 January 2013 21:47:28(UTC)
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It is an unfortunate headline for the Booker column this week, as it could never be said that we are "ruled" from Geneva in the same way that we are ruled from Brussels.

However insidious "global governance" might be, it is largely undertaken on an intergovernmental level which means that, unlike the supranational EU, we can chose to accept or reject agreements "done at Geneva" and other global venues – for the moment, at any rate.

What makes the column particularly relevant, of course, is the coincidence of David Cameron's speech (the theme would have been broached this week, even if Cameron had not spoken).

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#2 Posted : 26 January 2013 23:17:43(UTC)
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I hadn't realised so much was based in Geneva, Dr. N: that puts a slightly different slant on Switzerland's independence of the ... er, rest of their continent. Perhaps they're not such a good model for us after all; Norway does look more likely.

Your hesitation is clearly wise, however the potentially overarching nature of this conglomeration of UN interests lends some credence to the NWO arguments.
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#3 Posted : 27 January 2013 07:42:51(UTC)
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I hadn't realised so much was based in Geneva, Dr. N: that puts a slightly different slant on Switzerland's independence of the ... er, rest of their continent. Perhaps they're not such a good model for us after all; Norway does look more likely.

Your hesitation is clearly wise, however the potentially overarching nature of this conglomeration of UN interests lends some credence to the NWO arguments.


Indeed. Basel III, Bilderberg meeting in 2011, the global forum now. One cant help thinking Switzerland is being set up as the home of Global governance.
Perhaps due in part to location, its neutrality and because of it being very democratic - makes it very stable. I dunno!

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#4 Posted : 27 January 2013 08:42:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: euSSR Go Home Go to Quoted Post
I hadn't realised so much was based in Geneva, Dr. N: that puts a slightly different slant on Switzerland's independence of the ... er, rest of their continent. Perhaps they're not such a good model for us after all; Norway does look more likely.

Your hesitation is clearly wise, however the potentially overarching nature of this conglomeration of UN interests lends some credence to the NWO arguments.


Indeed. Basel III, Bilderberg meeting in 2011, the global forum now. One cant help thinking Switzerland is being set up as the home of Global governance.
Perhaps due in part to location, its neutrality and because of it being very democratic - makes it very stable. I dunno!




It owes much to the League of Nations, which was based in Geneva. The Palais des Nations building (home of UNOG) is the hub, having been extended several times, and now providing a home to multiple agencies. For landlocked Switzerland, this is a welcome economic boost - UN money is as good as anybody else's, and then there is the hoard of lobbyists, NGOs and general hangers on. The NWO "industry" must be worth billions to the Swiss.
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#5 Posted : 27 January 2013 10:12:09(UTC)
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That is a really poor headline, not only inaccurate and woefully misunderstands CB's piece, but it reads like he has changed his mind after all these years.
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#6 Posted : 27 January 2013 13:35:37(UTC)
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That is a really poor headline, not only inaccurate and woefully misunderstands CB's piece, but it reads like he has changed his mind after all these years.



Unfortunately, we don't have control over the headlines. Most often, Booker's suggestions are adopted, but in this case they weren't. The picture is crap as well.
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#7 Posted : 27 January 2013 16:21:02(UTC)
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Reading through the comments I came across one by briansmith22 in which he contends that all EU Member States are individually represented in UNECE. He includes the following link which appears to back him up. If this is the case then it looks like the argument that Norway have more say than we do because we only have influence as 1/27th of the EU doesn't hold water.

http://www.unece.org/oes/nutshell/member_states_representatives.html

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#8 Posted : 27 January 2013 16:29:43(UTC)
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Reading through the comments I came across one by briansmith22 in which he contends that all EU Member States are individually represented in UNECE. He includes the following link which appears to back him up. If this is the case then it looks like the argument that Norway have more say than we do because we only have influence as 1/27th of the EU doesn't hold water.

http://www.unece.org/oes/nutshell/member_states_representatives.html




It doesn't back him up, and if you had read on, you would have found his points answered:

Quote:
briansmith :You really are desperate to prove your case on UNECE, but you should quit while you are behind.

The European Commission itself, in its own report, says that it: "exercises the right to vote in WP.29 on behalf of the EU and its 27 Member States".

See: http://ec.europa.eu/ente...ece/sec-2011-0689_en.pdf

Individual member states maintain their representatives (much as the republics in the USSR maintained their representation in the UN), but they are bound by the EU "common position".

Thus, as with the WTO, the EU represents us, even though we maintain our representatives in place.

See: http://ec.europa.eu/trad...to/working-with-the-wto/

You need to catch up with the reality on this. As far as trade goes, the EU takes the primary role. We have one voice in the Council, to agree the "common position" by QMV.

Get used to it.


The report quoted is the same as was linked in my original report ...

http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83531

... on which Booker based his column.



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#9 Posted : 27 January 2013 16:48:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: SeanOHare Go to Quoted Post
Reading through the comments I came across one by briansmith22 in which he contends that all EU Member States are individually represented in UNECE. He includes the following link which appears to back him up. If this is the case then it looks like the argument that Norway have more say than we do because we only have influence as 1/27th of the EU doesn't hold water.

http://www.unece.org/oes/nutshell/member_states_representatives.html




It doesn't back him up, and if you had read on, you would have found his points answered:

Quote:
briansmith :You really are desperate to prove your case on UNECE, but you should quit while you are behind.

The European Commission itself, in its own report, says that it: "exercises the right to vote in WP.29 on behalf of the EU and its 27 Member States".

See: http://ec.europa.eu/ente...ece/sec-2011-0689_en.pdf

Individual member states maintain their representatives (much as the republics in the USSR maintained their representation in the UN), but they are bound by the EU "common position".

Thus, as with the WTO, the EU represents us, even though we maintain our representatives in place.

See: http://ec.europa.eu/trad...to/working-with-the-wto/

You need to catch up with the reality on this. As far as trade goes, the EU takes the primary role. We have one voice in the Council, to agree the "common position" by QMV.

Get used to it.


The report quoted is the same as was linked in my original report ...

http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83531

... on which Booker based his column.



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Much obliged. I probably read the comment before the rebuttal appeared and didn't know enough to counter it myself. I'll go back and read again. Ta!
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#10 Posted : 27 January 2013 17:15:54(UTC)
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Much obliged. I probably read the comment before the rebuttal appeared and didn't know enough to counter it myself. I'll go back and read again. Ta!




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