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#1 Posted : 24 January 2013 10:20:27(UTC)
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Straight from FUD-factory central comes a piece which has "some" business leaders warning that the very idea of an EU referendum will "hurt investment", although it grudgingly concedes that other business leaders support the Cameron initiative.

Delightfully, the BBC photo-caption includes two of our keywords, "fear" and "uncertainty". We've yet to find an article with all three, but the FUD-hunters are on the case. It it's there, we will root it out.

What emerges from the BBC piece (and others), though, is the prominence given to the "business case" in EU affairs, as if what business persons had a greater say in how we are governed than us mere plebs. Not for the corporates must there be "uncertainty", even though we face that plague every month as we struggle to pay their CEOs' inflated wages.

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#2 Posted : 24 January 2013 10:37:39(UTC)
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What does the acronym FUD mean?

Sorry it's probably on the site somewhere but I cannot see it!
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#3 Posted : 24 January 2013 11:03:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Winston's Black Dog Go to Quoted Post
What does the acronym FUD mean?

Sorry it's probably on the site somewhere but I cannot see it!



http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83545

2nd line.

Also ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/...r,_uncertainty_and_doubt


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#4 Posted : 24 January 2013 11:36:07(UTC)
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Uncertainty and doubt, isn't that a tautology?

Also, it's nice of the parasites at the BBC to be so balanced.

One Egyptian, Mohamed El-Erian of US investor Pimco, equals 55 British businessmen.

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#5 Posted : 24 January 2013 11:41:42(UTC)
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Uncertainty and doubt, isn't that a tautology?



BigGrin Welcome to the forum MCLAP


Arguably ... although it could equally be argued that uncertainty is a state, and doubt is a state of mind. Either way, why spoil a good acronym with a bit of logic?
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Uncertainty and doubt, isn't that a tautology?



BigGrin Welcome to the forum MCLAP


Arguably ... although it could equally be argued that uncertainty is a state, and doubt is a state of mind. Either way, why spoil a good acronym with a bit of logic?


True, 'tis a good acronymBigGrin

There is also the Doubt Uncertainty and Fear Factor, as peddled by duff businessmen, or duffers.
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#7 Posted : 24 January 2013 12:06:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: middle-class lefties are parasites Go to Quoted Post
Uncertainty and doubt, isn't that a tautology?



BigGrin Welcome to the forum MCLAP


Arguably ... although it could equally be argued that uncertainty is a state, and doubt is a state of mind. Either way, why spoil a good acronym with a bit of logic?


True, 'tis a good acronymBigGrin

There is also the Doubt Uncertainty and Fear Factor, as peddled by duff businessmen, or duffers.




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#8 Posted : 24 January 2013 12:12:16(UTC)
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I'm getting EU misinformation overload, that weaselly prat Clegg uttered the big lie t'other day - the 3 million jobs at risk lie.

Now he pontificates, on about the 'uncertainty of the UK's position' in the EU and all caused by Camerons' posited referendum, or summat. Uncertainty is it? He has not cast a glance over the channel just recently? True, Draghi somehow - is managing to hold onto and grip the tiller but the storm in the EZ is not over - some say we are just in the 'eye of the storm'. Clegg, is an EU plant, a mendacious and trouble causing stirrer - so typical of the political party he purports to represent - but we all knew that.

Some German said, why wait until 2017? Have a referendum now! Good point, trouble is - I think that we [secessionists] would lose it.

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#9 Posted : 24 January 2013 12:15:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
I'm getting EU misinformation overload, that weaselly prat Clegg uttered the big lie t'other day - the 3 million jobs at risk lie.

Now he pontificates, on about the 'uncertainty of the UK's position' in the EU and all caused by Camerons' posited referendum, or summat. Uncertainty is it? He has not cast a glance over the channel just recently? True, Draghi somehow - is managing to hold onto and grip the tiller but the storm in the EZ is not over - some say we are just in the 'eye of the storm'. Clegg, is an EU plant, a mendacious and trouble causing stirrer - so typical of the political party he purports to represent - but we all knew that.

Some German said, why wait until 2017? Have a referendum now! Good point, trouble is - I think that we [secessionists] would lose it.




To be quite honest, who gives a flying fart what Clegg says. He is as much a liability for the europhiles as Farage is for us!

And I totally agree on the timing of a referendum. If we had it now, we'd lose it.
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#10 Posted : 24 January 2013 12:33:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
The greatest lie is that the EU is a trading bloc.


The big one. If they can sell that, they can dismiss EFTA as no change, other than loss of our input into fax-law. It's then staying in (with a fake renegotiation) or out via ECA repeal. It's as much of a certainty as anything can be that "In" will then win.

With any form of engagement, their arguments can be destroyed. But how to be heard ?
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#11 Posted : 24 January 2013 12:34:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
I'm getting EU misinformation overload, that weaselly prat Clegg uttered the big lie t'other day - the 3 million jobs at risk lie.

Now he pontificates, on about the 'uncertainty of the UK's position' in the EU and all caused by Camerons' posited referendum, or summat. Uncertainty is it? He has not cast a glance over the channel just recently? True, Draghi somehow - is managing to hold onto and grip the tiller but the storm in the EZ is not over - some say we are just in the 'eye of the storm'. Clegg, is an EU plant, a mendacious and trouble causing stirrer - so typical of the political party he purports to represent - but we all knew that.

Some German said, why wait until 2017? Have a referendum now! Good point, trouble is - I think that we [secessionists] would lose it.




To be quite honest, who gives a flying fart what Clegg says. He is as much a liability for the europhiles as Farage is for us!

And I totally agree on the timing of a referendum. If we had it now, we'd lose it.


Thanks for clarifying FUD above!

I've found a link to your site on a football forum I sometimes read.

http://forum.charltonlif...r-euro-inout-poll#latest

Most of the posters on the thread are pro EU just one or two (including the bloke who linked to your forum) anti which bears out that we'd lose a referendum if these football fans are at all representative of the country at large.

Makes you wonder why Cameron simply didn't "go for it" now!
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#12 Posted : 24 January 2013 12:49:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: middle-class lefties are parasites Go to Quoted Post
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Uncertainty and doubt, isn't that a tautology?



BigGrin Welcome to the forum MCLAP


Arguably ... although it could equally be argued that uncertainty is a state, and doubt is a state of mind. Either way, why spoil a good acronym with a bit of logic?


True, 'tis a good acronymBigGrin

There is also the Doubt Uncertainty and Fear Factor, as peddled by duff businessmen, or duffers.

And if those businessmen were females with children, would they then be Mother DUFFERs?
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#13 Posted : 24 January 2013 13:54:37(UTC)
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Hi Richard, I just wondered whether your ears were burning this morning. His Grace has been talking about you and others over at his place. Says we outers are all at each others throats and wants to know who will speak officially on our behalf:

http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/eu-referendum-who-will-speak-officially.html
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#14 Posted : 24 January 2013 14:04:45(UTC)
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Richard said:

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who gives a flying fart what Clegg says.



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#15 Posted : 24 January 2013 14:19:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Winston's Black Dog Go to Quoted Post


Makes you wonder why Cameron simply didn't "go for it" now!


Possibly too much of a gamble. Those who know him best say he is not a gambler.

However, that would defeat the object of the referendum, which is to give the Conservatives an electoral advantage at the general and to bury UKIP.
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#16 Posted : 24 January 2013 18:50:58(UTC)
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Does this count as FUD all in one article?

http://www.crn.com/blogs...ncertainty-and-doubt.htm

Anyway here is Dr. Eric Edmond's blog about FUD

http://ukiptruth.blogspo...certainty-doubt-fud.html

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