If you think there's a chance that UKIP might blow the campaign, then why don't you meet up with Farage, or teleconference with him or something - and discuss the issues you deem to be important?

Wouldn't you increase the volume of your voice inside the UKIP tent?

Farage has already accepted that the party needs to grow up and has explicitly said so on several occasions recently. Why not help it to grow up by being part of it and helping to shape it?

Please reconsider, Richard.

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Roger Helmer sounds like he has an inkling as to what is going on. He also seems 'clued up' on article 50. There must be a catch !

On the plus side, that list of names from the 'graUNiad' is useful in letting us know who NOT to believe........( to tell the truth I don't believe any of them anyway).

"It is our job to address their [the British people's] concerns and explain the rights and responsibilities, the numerous benefits and inevitable costs that come with being part of a community of 27 sovereign nations that have come together in pursuit of their common interests. "We should focus our efforts on doing exactly that."

Be certain that the complete opposite is what will happen.


Numerous benefits?

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Tis other way round ... the break occurred because they didn't want to hear what I had to say. Farage is fully aware of the Art 50 argument.

Richard said


Farage mentioned article 50 on the World This Weekend on Radio 4 on Sunday 13 January in a discussion on Europe. He sounded as though he knew what he was saying.

He's said it again, maybe there is hope. The problem is that UKIP is painted as a minority party of borderline loons thus having them support Art 50 might be counter-productive.

As for Cameron, words cannot express what a lying scumbag he is. Speech is purely to keep Con election hopes alive at next GE and not in support of this:



Here is what the above the liners all want:



What we need is a slogan - "Article 50: In Europe, out of the EU; in EFTA out of the EU"

Farage forced me out of the party and then forced me out of my job in the European Parliament. The walls are his, not mine. With the best will in the world, I can't help a man who won't be helped.

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Cameron's speech was so artful; meeting the Conservative rebel needs, undermining the UKIP position, stealing a (temporary) march on Labour.
All the time knowing that the rest of the EU have the whip hand, especially if Merkel is re-elected as seems probable. The colleagues could guess that with Britain's economic situation worsening the Tories will not win a General Election and a Labour victory or a Lib-Lab coalition/pact in Government will be sufficient to guarantee support for more EU.

It is worth remembering that IRELAND's public resistance to the euro was broken despite a dire financial situation. The EU propped up their "friend" with cash. GREECE is in a worse situation but does not wish to leave the EU. They were propped up with EU cash. SPAIN has 50% youth unemployment but the people are not voting to leave the EU. There is the promise of EU cash if needed. Whilst Germany and others in the IMF will lend the money, the EU should survive.

The public are very, very reluctant to let go of their benefactor despite their situation and poor voters find it difficult to mount election campaigns.

The only game in town for EUrealists over the next 16 months appears to be UKIP. At the moment they have the momentum in PR terms if not the boots on the ground for anything but a European election campaign. Can those who have fallen out with Farage in the past "hold their nose" and give support to UKIP ? There are hundreds of bloggers spending countless hours on their keyboard. Dr. Richard North has the bullets ready to fire. No need to pick over the arguments. Along with viral marketing on Twitter and Youtube is it time to do the hard and dirty job of knocking on doors and becoming candidates for UKIP (or another anti-EU party) or becoming an anti-EU INDEPENDENT candidate in the 2013 local elections ? Politics (influence) starts at Parish & Town Council level and these are easy elections to win - as the Liberal-Democrats showed in the 20th century and Labour showed in the 19th century, power starts at the bottom (are you listening Nigel ?).

He is not in control of events ... the chances are that the renegotiation falls flat. There are some of the "colleagues" who would want to humiliate Cameron, and who would be happy to see the UK leave.

That's why I'm sort of in two minds on whether to call Cameron's bluff, at least if he's re-elected it will nail this renegotiation myth once and for all (if he keeps his promise) by virtue of it not happening, then the subsequent outcome is huge pressure to leave.

That was exactly my point, the negotiations will be fake, they will present them as some amazing political coup for the UK and we will be given a stupid "Out" option that no-one will want ie repeal the ECA. Everyone will then vote for the status quo and we're fcuked.