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#1 Posted : 18 January 2013 22:21:05(UTC)
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Although the directive comes into force today, goody-two-shoes Britain has already done it, and gone further than the directive requiring us to renew every ten years, instead of the fifteen that the EU wants. And, contrary, to this report, we do see minimum requirements for driving tests in the Directive, now labelled 2006/126/EC.

According to the report, people with licences for life must trade them in for a new licence by 2033. Belgium, France and Cyprus are still issuing paper licences at this time and will not be compliant with the directive by tomorrow, the Commission said. France said it will be compliant within six months, but it is not known when Belgium will be compliant.

But the main event is that, by this means, drivers are forced to apply for a document with the ring of stars emblazoned on it. The excuse for this, according to Siim Kallas, EU commissioner for transport, is that: "Traffic police across Europe are currently expected to recognise more than 100 different types of paper and plastic driving licence".

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#2 Posted : 18 January 2013 22:32:16(UTC)
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It is also a good data base and will have up to date photo ID.
All that fuss about ID cards...
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flyinthesky on 19/01/2013(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 18 January 2013 22:37:24(UTC)
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I guess I'll keep my tatty pink paper one for a while longer then.
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#4 Posted : 18 January 2013 23:01:50(UTC)
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Richard - your're being really unkind to Goody Two Shoes.

The grasping gits at DVLA have been embroidering and fitting dangly fine-able bits to anything that they can for some time (like forever?) They really like pumping out the threatening PR from Swansea.

A quick grand here

or... a quick grand there

Higher fees and that threat of £1000 fines again....

Yes - there's a SORN like fine scheme in the making.....

The fine thing surges ahead - The Highways Agency are busy installing gantries (££££££) on the M4/M5 interchange to scope passing traffic and shear all the passing sheepies who are struggling to control their vehicles on the abysmal road surface - like the "good old" M42 - meanwhile regaling the victims with inane and out of date £500K information displays and chaotic and misleading signage.

Dystopia nah...

One can see why they leap at opportunities presented by "the colleagues" though eh?



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#5 Posted : 18 January 2013 23:44:58(UTC)
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Yes, Dr. N. Last time I tried to return permanently to England, some local foreigners broke into my car and stole my Master's Thesis and all my IDs, including the pink paper. After the hassle of re-identifying myself, I had to have one of those nasty plastic things - on which they branded my face with the vile ring. I couldn't stand it -- or the way our Passports now render us euros. So now I get missives from Home ... on which the British stamps are branded (parallel with left-hand-side) "europa."

While still at Home, I considered developing anti-euro stickers for my car, but decided it wasn't sensible as still further vandalism would result.

Oh, it's a terrible business; and I hate the euSSR all the more for what they're doing.

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PS: This business of re-labelling erstwhile Ministries and their branches as "Agencies" is part of the same movement, and has been going on since at least the 70s. I remember noticing it then in relation to travelling -- perhaps it was passports. I see that 'Agency' has now become a 'Service' (2006), but the horrible-sounding "Border Agency" is now in charge of our natural coastline. I've always thought: "Who are these people agenting for?" It sounds so foreign and communistic --

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#6 Posted : 19 January 2013 00:18:15(UTC)
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All that goes to prove what we already know – that the EU is trying to impose a cultural identity on us. And it also provides another very good reason why we should decouple from the EU. Standardisation – to an extent – we don't mind. But we can do without the baggage.


You speak for yourself Richard and indeed you personally might not mind but I certainly do - I will not carry anything with a blue square emblazoned with the ring piece of gold stars. Plus - it is and as already been mentioned - a Europe+EU wide ID card.

It's the principle, I don't like the red passport - that was bad enough.

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#7 Posted : 19 January 2013 05:56:10(UTC)
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I guess I'll keep my tatty pink paper one for a while longer then.


I'm of the same opinion, Stuart, but I'm sure that I read, in the last couple of days, that here in the UK we will have to go the photo-licence route by 2015, or get hit with the £1000 fine...

The point raised upthread about this now being a back-door way of introducing ID cards is a good one too - but, for now at least, there won't be the direct link to other databases from it. However, it can only be a matter of time...

Barcode tattoos, your DNA taken at birth & an embedded tracker device under your skin - if the bastards thought they could get away with it we'd have them too by now Cursing

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#8 Posted : 19 January 2013 09:26:52(UTC)
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"Himself" and I had to have the photo licences when we changed our address, then when he hit 70 he had to renew the photo when the licence was renewed. We sent off a new set of photos and when the new licence came back they had still used the old one??
We've debated whether to get Greek licences instead but decided against it.
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#9 Posted : 19 January 2013 09:58:08(UTC)
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"indeed you personally might not mind but I certainly do - I will not carry anything with a blue square emblazoned with the ring piece of gold stars."


Exactly my view. Under no circumstances will I carry anything with the hated ring of barbed wire. The 'ring' on my licence is covered with a Union Jack.
To illustrate in the private sphere: We lease a car - renewed every three years or so. With the oroginal contract, and when offered a replacement I always insist first, before the deal is confirmed, that the contract will include a refusal to accept a car with an EU symbol on its number plate. The message was soon understood.

However it is not the licence per se that is at issue here. It it rather the bland acceptance by our governments, officials, DVLA, and numberless naive people, that the EU has some sort of self appointed authority or right to impose its own ideological stamp over free peoples - without any democratic accountability, except that of supine member state governments.
In every sense, on every document, on every 'rag of a flag', the ring of stars is as illegitimate today, as the hammer and sickle symbol. It is an arrogance and a pretension to power that is unacceptable.
Symbol it might be, but symbols represent power - and EU power is itself illegitimate according to our Constitution.
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Ravenscar on 19/01/2013(UTC)
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#10 Posted : 19 January 2013 10:29:08(UTC)
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A few years back thought it wiser to change from a UK licence to a French one. I had been randomly stopped by the French police for a check. They were rather mystified by my old-style licence, dating from 1963. “Is this a driving licence?” For them it was an exercise in origami. What with that and as soon after, I no longer had a UK address, I converted my UK licence into a French one which, however, carried forward the age restriction of 70. It had to be done by showing up at the local prefecture. The exchange was free and the service dreadfully slow.

As I am now getting within spitting distance of the 70 age limit and as French licences are still for life (at the moment), I thought trying to explain to a French jobsworth the significance of the 70 limit would be futile. Words like talking, wall and brick came to mind, so I had the licence exchanged for a UK one.

It has a B&W photo and a signature on it, etc. It is valid just up to one day short of my 70th birthday in 2016. The exchange was free, the PO checking service top rate and the card delivered on time. Of course it does not have a chip but it has the obnoxious yellow stars.

Conclusion: We need some form of standardisation, we do not need the stars and what is going to be stored on the chip needs to be carefully watched as it is the backdoor to a UK/EU ID card.
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#11 Posted : 20 January 2013 02:02:28(UTC)
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From globally-warmed Florida (32F these nights) in the template of all U-knitted States - it seems apposite to add to this thread: The FL Driver's Licence doubles as an ID - and you have to provide citizenship and other info to get it re-newed. You need it, of course, to cash a cheque: which I did today. I couldn't get my money, however, until I provided a right thumb-print --- placing it on the cheque itself.

Ummm... the mind boggles at the possible ramifications of that sort of bureaucracy.
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