Mr Cameron does not believe that EU withdrawal is "realistic or desirable", we are told. And he thinks hardline Eurosceptics who believe Britain can go it alone regardless of the effect on trade and jobs – or what America and other key nations think – are "mad".

But, we might say, no one in their right mind would argue that Britain could – or even should - "go it alone", except that UKIP is arguing precisely that, with its plan to repeal the European Communities Act and then start negotiating with the EU. In this very narrow respect, Cameron is right.

One can therefore see another part of the europhile strategy unfolding, alongside which UKIP is excluded from the serious debate while being exposed to knocking copy as the europhile Sunday Mirror offers details of the "ugly face" of the "homophobic" and "racist" UKIP.

Meanwhile, the debate is further confused by the emergence of Swindon MP Robert Buckland, who hijacks the title of "Eurorealist" for himself. He is neither "Europhobe nor Europhile", he declares, as he rounds up around 20 Conservative MPs to publish a letter claiming that leaving the EU would cause "massive damage" to Britain economically and diplomatically.

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I find the level of debate on the TV news, well, let's say bemusing. How can they get away with 'dicussing' the EU question by assembling a panel of guest all of whom support the EU, with maybe a verbal reference to an imagined Cameron position of euroscepticism. And we can't get anybody on. Not the sceptics, not the antis. And certainly not anybody who would skip the tiresome economics gobshittery and get to the constitutional crux of the matter. When (if) the referendum comes, we won't get a look-in. When they need a eurosceptic voice, they will pick a clown. No names, no pack drill

He is at least right that the Obama Administration will do everything in its power to keep the UK in the EU, and will punish your nation as severely as he can should you decide to depart.

Two stories in today's the Sunday Times, highlight in extremely and blinding florescent yellow, just how Britain is all but controlled and ruled by the EU~Brussels mafia. The annexation, is nigh on complete and the joke really is on those who believe yet, that Westminster somehow retains a vestige [ any?] of real power.

Mind you, the joke has really been on the British nation who for 40 years have been fed the propaganda and lies which have flown thick, fanciful and fast and complicit in all of that: is the BBC.

Any road up, Steve Hilton, Cameron's erstwhile little helper averred that civil servants run the country and that Cameron's executive actually, could only affect 30% [that much?] of government business, nothing we didn't already know but interesting to hear it from someone who was so recently at the coal face - so to speak.
In the other ST article, a Tory attempt to opt out of Euro justice [another EU oxymoron], it ends with a familiarly duplicitous quote from that multiculti hyena and Marxist social engineer non pareil Mili-ed:

- warning that Cameron's approach to Europe is "putting party interests ahead of national interests" - how ironic is that from a Labour man who was an integral part of the Brown terror.

The brilliance of usurping the ECHR and using it to cement the legitimacy of EU rule......but it only had one real problem region before the coup was totally enforced - Britain.

We are caught in, what a strategist might term a pincer movement. One claw involves the infiltration of the civil service and Whitehall administration and the other claw - the removal of British jurisprudence and its supplanting by a paltry, untested inferior European jurisdiction. And unfortunately Brussels is right on target to grab, disable and devour its prey [Britain].

We are sunk, effin sunk - unless we withdraw soon it is getting too late in the day.

As has been hinted at elsewhere everything is not well in core EU land.

This is one of the absolute key revelations that the Euphiliacs want to keep away from the public discussions - no talk about disgruntled Germans, Frenchies, Dutchmen, Swedes, Poles, Danes, Finns - all is well in EU land and to leave while the party is in full swing and going so spiffingly well is unthinkable and anybody who nay says is a waycist anti gay marriage right wing bigot.

An aside: Very little mention has been made of where all the Bulgarians and Romanians are supposedly intending to emigrate to - the accommodation preparations / planning just announced by Eric Pickles makes it seem that they are all coming to the UK - has anybody asked them what their intentions are? Is Eric privy to some information that he's not being entirely open about? Can we ship all our workshy erks in the opposite direction and have them subject to Bulgarian / Romanian welfare?

Thatcher was stabbed in the back by Tory 'Wets' but as Cameron is where he is because he is at heart a 'Wet' and supported by the old Tory 'Wets' in grey suits I don't think he will forced out.

The only hope the Tories have in the long run is a Tory 'Dry' to grab the nettle and split the party.

As Richard has said many times...

Our real problems lie here in Westminster & Whitehall.

Take the ECHR.

The ECHR ruled that it was illegal to retain details of people arrested but never charged of an offence, particularly if the miscreant was later found.

What was the response of McBroon?

We'll consider it!

Still not happened, DNA, prints & photos are still retained and the PNC record remains for an extended, (or whatever it's actually called,) check.

Not the EU! Our politicos and bureaucrats!

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All this makes me sick to the pit of my stomach.

I'm currently reading The Great Deception. It's prompted a few thoughts, which I've posted on my blog: The EU Peace Myth.

Thanks! I was hoping that you might have a look at it.