Nothing in life is a certitude but the wind blows against independence supporters because the softening up exercise and massive PR campaign has already begun. What we need: are more pictures of rioting Greeks and Athenians scavenging street dumpsters for morsels of food.

At the same time as Heseltine spouts his poisonous treason. Cuddly Ken Clarke and 'Dracula Pete' [Mandelson] join up both egregious buffoons and those other two, Barroso and Dick van Rumpy tell us the euro is now secure and "stay in the EU - you know it makes economic sense" but the exact opposite could be argued and on balance many pragmatic economists and 'financial experts' believe that out, is preferable to in - how could it not be - the single market has never existed and the tariff barriers and bureaucracy now militate any of the so called advantages.

The EZ, it is some shell game and all held together by chewing gum and string.

Unemployment in the EZ is rising, the inequities and stricture of tight monetary policy, lunatic inflation targets and bank lending limitation, coupled with the south not being able to refloat results in - people are really hurting from the squeeze and club Med, including France is falling apart. There is a titanic struggle going on here for legitimacy. While Draghi battles to keep his debt mutualisation show on the road - held together by promises of sweet nothings and vague iou promises from a chasten pre election German chancellor - the EU-scuttlebutt is still impossibly afloat and the markets hold off. Just who is pulling the strings here is anyones guess but my feeling is that traders and central bankers alike know the consequences EZ implosion and are truly terrified.

And we have the usual crew of idiots and the BBC over here - telling us, pleading, "it's all dandy and stay together - we just need a slight rearrangement of the deckchairs!"

Edited by user 13 January 2013 14:32:17(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Interesting post.

I wonder what the figure would be if the general public new the scale of the deception played before their eyes ?

If the knew that we could still trade with the EU quite sensibly via the EEA/EFTA arrangements. That half-truths, downright lies and sheer bias is being peddled by the MSM.

How many then would want to vote for such quisling parties ?

Not many I'd guess.

We live in an all-pervading cradle of assiduously-maintained assumptions. They are intrinsic to all forms of entertainment and reportage.

Seldom are these assumptions delivered overtly through official communications or explicit statements. Our defences cause us cynically to shrug off such messages.

I fear therefore that many will reject good information which is directly communicated, unless it jibes with these assumptions. Anything that departs from the uniform pattern of utterance which propaganda has created will be viewed as ridiculous.

This gives a clear advantage to proponents of the present arrangements with regard to the EU. When they make assertions which we know to be untrue, they are working to reinforce those assumptions.

I doubt they need to do a thing.

Sunday People launches a ComRes pole and UKIP are on a role.

Edited by user 13 January 2013 15:42:54(UTC)  | Reason: Missed out a joke

Ravenscar said:-
Yes, But also, we need to inject some real fear into the people.

Dr North may be able to advise me here on a couple of points:-
At some time in the future Brussels will inform London that there can no longer be two different Judicial Systems in the E.U. and that this country will have to finally ditch Common Law and prepare to embrace the Continental system of Napoleonic Law.
Habeas Corpus, Presumption of Innocence and Trial by Jury -V- Corpus Juris.
We have seen British Subjects arrested under European Arrest Warrant and taken to another country where they have languished in prison for weeks or even months before finally being charged with their supposed offence. Christopher Booker has reported on a few cases.
This must eventually happen...are we looking at within 20 years or even more?
If this eventuality is likely then we ought to be using this as a fear factor.


Another 'fear factor' could be the total privatisation of the N.H.S. under E.U. 'Single market rules'.
We have seen British Rail dismembered by E.U. edict.
Royal Mail is being eviscerated as we speak to enable private business to buy into Royal Mail under similar rules.

I know the N.H.S. needs a major reform, but it is the biggest sacred cow in the country and for it to end up being privatised 'purely for the fat-cats to make profit' would really cause a stir.
Is there anyone in the readership here who could analyse the present little nudges happening at present and project it into perhaps 10 years time in the future to show how remaining in the E.U. will destroy the N.H.S.?