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richard		#1 Posted : 11 January 2013 16:08:34(UTC)
Rank: Administration Groups: Registered, Administrators Joined: 16/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,942 Location: Bradford Thanks: 95 times Was thanked: 293 time(s) in 245 post(s)		Does this mean that only 2,999,200 jobs now "depend" on Europe? View full article here
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TheBoilingFrog		#2 Posted : 11 January 2013 16:45:42(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 369 Location: Didcot Thanks: 21 times Was thanked: 25 time(s) in 22 post(s)		Plus another 300 agency workers on top as well apparently, as I understand it about a third of its workforce is going
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flyinthesky		#3 Posted : 11 January 2013 16:51:28(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 25/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 100 Location: Lancashire Thanks: 64 times Was thanked: 7 time(s) in 7 post(s)		Originally Posted by: richard Does this mean that only 2,999,200 jobs now "depend" on Europe? View full article here Look out for creative interpretations, the UKs skeptic postion will get the blame, viz, see what happens with this uncertainty do you want this to escalate. There's a lot of negative mileage to be gained from this, never let a crisis go to waste. The fact that the entire citizenry of Europe is impoverished by the abomination will not be cited.


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In2minds		#4 Posted : 11 January 2013 17:48:07(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 197 Location: midlands Thanks: 5 times Was thanked: 8 time(s) in 8 post(s)		As I understand it the EU part of the Honda sales are in decline with the UK and the rest of the world hanging on. How funny that is as we are always being told how it's always better 'over there'! And following on from flyinthesky and the 'creative and negative interpretation' of this trouble at Honda I'll bet three things. 1 - Honda will stay in the UK. 2 - Other UK based Japanese firms will follow Honda and dig in rather than give up and go home. 3 - Peugeot, who have not made a profit in 6 years, will fumble and bluster on, possibly even go bust.
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flyinthesky		#5 Posted : 11 January 2013 18:44:05(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 25/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 100 Location: Lancashire Thanks: 64 times Was thanked: 7 time(s) in 7 post(s)		Originally Posted by: In2minds As I understand it the EU part of the Honda sales are in decline with the UK and the rest of the world hanging on. How funny that is as we are always being told how it's always better 'over there'! And following on from flyinthesky and the 'creative and negative interpretation' of this trouble at Honda I'll bet three things. 1 - Honda will stay in the UK. 2 - Other UK based Japanese firms will follow Honda and dig in rather than give up and go home. 3 - Peugeot, who have not made a profit in 6 years, will fumble and bluster on, possibly even go bust. I think and hope you're right but I also think uncertainty will be cited, they're probably all over it already. I think most manufacturers will dig in and wait and see, however Ford moving transit production to Turkey is a concern, are they more privileged with information than we are re Turkey and the eu.


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Frank Davis		#6 Posted : 11 January 2013 19:14:16(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 38 Location: Herefordshire Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		I suppose you've seen this. Quote: George Osborne to the EU: Change or Britain will leave George Osborne has issued an ultimatum to the European Union, saying it “must change” in order to avoid a British exit
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nemesis		#7 Posted : 11 January 2013 19:55:47(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 29/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 46 Location: Middlesex Thanks: 31 times Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Frank Davis I suppose you've seen this. Quote: George Osborne to the EU: Change or Britain will leave George Osborne has issued an ultimatum to the European Union, saying it “must change” in order to avoid a British exit And this in the comments section: Cameron is not committing to a referendum before 2018. Here's the catch. Article 16 of the Fiscal Union Treaty incorporates fiscal union into EU law by 2017. So we would be in fiscal union and bound by law. Renegotiation would be impossible and extricating ourselves from the EU at that point would be pretty much impossible without actually cutting our own throats Is this correct?


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flyinthesky		#8 Posted : 11 January 2013 20:26:30(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 25/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 100 Location: Lancashire Thanks: 64 times Was thanked: 7 time(s) in 7 post(s)		Originally Posted by: nemesis Originally Posted by: Frank Davis I suppose you've seen this. Quote: George Osborne to the EU: Change or Britain will leave George Osborne has issued an ultimatum to the European Union, saying it “must change” in order to avoid a British exit And this in the comments section: Cameron is not committing to a referendum before 2018. Here's the catch. Article 16 of the Fiscal Union Treaty incorporates fiscal union into EU law by 2017. So we would be in fiscal union and bound by law. Renegotiation would be impossible and extricating ourselves from the EU at that point would be pretty much impossible without actually cutting our own throats Is this correct? This has always been my concern with the "structured and sensible" approach, while we are considering and evaluating our position the eu is not going to stop issuing directives and diktats is it. Considering the vested interest of it's continuance they are going to be many steps ahead in the game while we procrastinate, we need to declare our intentions ASAP and that's the problem with the Cameron approach, every dot and cross will be made while we consider. every year that this anomaly is allowed to continue means two or more years to unravel and that's what they're counting on. It should be called now via article 50, we know he's not going to invoke it considering his declared position so he goes into negotiation with a full guard on his teeth. No threat, no result.


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TheBoilingFrog		#9 Posted : 11 January 2013 21:20:36(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 369 Location: Didcot Thanks: 21 times Was thanked: 25 time(s) in 22 post(s)		Originally Posted by: nemesis Originally Posted by: Frank Davis I suppose you've seen this. Quote: George Osborne to the EU: Change or Britain will leave George Osborne has issued an ultimatum to the European Union, saying it “must change” in order to avoid a British exit And this in the comments section: Cameron is not committing to a referendum before 2018. Here's the catch. Article 16 of the Fiscal Union Treaty incorporates fiscal union into EU law by 2017. So we would be in fiscal union and bound by law. Renegotiation would be impossible and extricating ourselves from the EU at that point would be pretty much impossible without actually cutting our own throats Is this correct? No, this is similar bollocks to the "November 2014 we can never leave" argument. Invoking Article 50 to exit is the equivalent of handing our notice in at work, regardless of what the rest of the treaty says. To suggest that "extricating ourselves from the EU....would be impossible" is scaremongering nonsense.
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