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Nick Clegg has been speaking on the first of his weekly radio phone-ins on LBC, and has been asked about the US comments. That much is dealt with on the BBC website, with the state broadcaster keen to exploit the propaganda opportunities afforded by Philip Gordon's intervention. On the video clip accompanying the report, however, we see a different emphasis, with Clegg anxious to cut to the issue which he wants to convey as the most important. "Let's remember at the end of the day", he says, "that about three million, one in ten jobs in this country are dependent now, one way or the other, on our membership of the world's largest borderless single market". He is asked by LBC Nick Ferrari whether he means "membership or trading with", to which Clegg asserts: "No, no, membership of the single market". View full article here
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Didn't the mystical '3 million' come originally from a certain Billy Liar, who subsequently admitted he'd pulled the figure out of thin air? Can't find a link about it though, sorry, so maybe my 'imperfect' memory playing tricks on me ....... Edited by user 10 January 2013 12:22:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheOceanian  Didn't the mystical '3 million' come originally from a certain Billy Liar, who subsequently admitted he'd pulled the figure out of thin air?
Can't find a link about it though, sorry, so maybe my 'imperfect' memory playing tricks on me ....... The figure goes way back ... it is loosely based on the premise that there are 30 million employed in this country, and that EU trade accounts for 10 percent of GDP. The three million is thus arrived at by taking ten percent of the workforce. It is trotted out, though, with unfailing regularity ... http://www.dailymail.co....s-stay-heart-Europe.htmlThis is worth a look though ... http://www.timcongdon4uk...9;%20myth%2020120402.pdfEdited by user 10 January 2013 12:35:06(UTC)
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Interested to know what you make of this in the context of your positive comments about how the Internet could be the difference in any future referendum debate, giving people easy access to information sources outside of the mainstream media: http://www.guardian.co.u...-warns-uk-european-unionThe comments on this particular piece could scarcely be more effusive in their assertion that leaving the EU would entail turning Britain over to corporate bloodsuckers. I don't think it is much of an exaggeration to say that their tone suggests the EU is all that stands between Britain and total civilisational collapse. Where does one even begin to try to engage with such people? Edited by user 10 January 2013 12:47:42(UTC)
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Quote:Where does one even begin to try to engage with such people? You don't, they are merely Grauniad readers and just like the rag they read, they are wrong on everything. Their only use is, is if one is unsure on a subject, find out what their answer is and do the exact opposite. AKA the Toynbee Rule.
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Originally Posted by: richard Originally Posted by: TheOceanian Didn't the mystical '3 million' come originally from a certain Billy Liar, who subsequently admitted he'd pulled the figure out of thin air?
Can't find a link about it though, sorry, so maybe my 'imperfect' memory playing tricks on me ....... The figure goes way back ... it is loosely based on the premise that there are 30 million employed in this country, and that EU trade accounts for 10 percent of GDP. The three million is thus arrived at by taking ten percent of the workforce. It is trotted out, though, with unfailing regularity ... http://www.dailymail.co....s-stay-heart-Europe.htmlThis is worth a look though ... http://www.timcongdon4uk...9;%20myth%2020120402.pdf Starts here ... in 2000 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/650295.stm
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Originally Posted by: richard Originally Posted by: TheOceanian Didn't the mystical '3 million' come originally from a certain Billy Liar, who subsequently admitted he'd pulled the figure out of thin air?
Can't find a link about it though, sorry, so maybe my 'imperfect' memory playing tricks on me ....... The figure goes way back ... it is loosely based on the premise that there are 30 million employed in this country, and that EU trade accounts for 10 percent of GDP. The three million is thus arrived at by taking ten percent of the workforce. It is trotted out, though, with unfailing regularity ... http://www.dailymail.co....s-stay-heart-Europe.htmlThis is worth a look though ... http://www.timcongdon4uk...9;%20myth%2020120402.pdf On Tim Congdon's figures(very good btw)womens jobs have increased and mens jobs decreased(unless you are foreign born).Id also say the type of job is important, replacing full time jobs for minimum wage, part time jobs is hardly progress. Edited by user 10 January 2013 16:28:54(UTC)
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According to this http://fullfact.org/fact...rely_directly_on_EU-3087The basis for the claim is a report by the European Institute, South Bank University on 2000 A Civitas report in 2004 said the effects would be marginal. A Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (BERR), said, "approximately 3 - 3.5 million British jobs are linked (both directly and indirectly) with exports to the EU." but of course, linked does not mean lost. It looks to be a figure very difficult to estimate and dependent on a number of assumptions, but to Clegg & Co., it's just a scary soundbite they like to trot out as if it came down from Mount Sinai on tablets of stone. You can't help thinking that the estimate is likely to be coloured by the political perspective and paymasters of the body making it.
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How one longs for an interviewer to say 'Well, that's just a lie, isn't it?' to one of these tossers. I suppose he wouldn't get many interview subjects after that.
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