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#1 Posted : 10 January 2013 09:25:55(UTC)
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While we've been obsessing on the EU, Dellers has been minding the shop on the Met Office imbroglio. You can read him in the Mail.

The worst of it all though is that hard-pressed taxpayers are having to shell out their money for this dire organisation, not least the £3,760,000 from Defra last year for a "High Performance Computer Supernode" for "Climate Change work".

That, however, is only a tiny slice of the money being spent on the climate change obsession: read this list and weep. Not least, we have £30,000 on this little gem on "using water wisely", on top of £214,576 exploring the "impacts of climate change on water demand". We've also had spent on our behalf £72,000 on a "climate change booklet" and £169,710 on work to enable government to target "behaviour change campaigns".

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#2 Posted : 10 January 2013 09:32:20(UTC)
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As there is real evidence that the temperature has NOT increased in the last 10 years could charges against the Met Office for fraud be an option?
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#3 Posted : 10 January 2013 09:53:14(UTC)
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Lying twats and the Met Office - go figure and that they certainly did.

Yes, CO2 is a minor GHG but it is not the driver of world climate by any chalk nor by any means.


I've never ever believed the nonsense that somehow mankind is killing the earth through his puny input of a harmless and life giving gas - which is a trace gas - and not in any imagining - a major atmospherical gas.

The design = MM CO2 = runaway warming has always been a political fiction and the glasshouse they constructed is taking some heavy pounding right now, in fact we are at this moment demolishing its foundations - easy because the whole edifice was constructed on a beach - near to a beach front property owned by AL Gore.

The Met office is being rightly filleted. They are liars and not even good liars, there is not one ounce of scientific objectivity, let alone integrity in the whole damn construct - the Met office is there to promote government/EU policy and that policy [lie] happens to be: the planet is dying because of our so called CO2 input.

Well, the MMCO2=GW supposition is not playing ball [I wonder why....could it be that it is all bollox?], the models are not adhered to - alack! Change the computers - we need more giga, mega, tera, yukka super duper computah - says Julia Slingo!!!

The Met Office has been caught with its pants down time and again and honestly is anyone really that surprised?


If it's not outright lying then it's outright misdirection and creative accountancy.......how about an egregious example...

Oh btw, there's this too:

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1) The wettest year was 1872, when there was 1284mm, compared to 1244mm in 2012. It was also wetter in 1768. Clearly the impression given by the Met Office, that the rainfall last year, and in 2000, is somehow “unprecedented” is not true. One is entitled to wonder why they made it.
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#4 Posted : 10 January 2013 10:01:01(UTC)
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work to enable government to target "behaviour change campaigns".

That the state is openly in the game of "behaviour change" should outrage anyone with an ounce of sense.

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Their charter needs to be changed such that they ONLY work on weather forecasting. i.e. something that can, and does, have a real world benefit to us tax-paying, voting plebs ......

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Carpe diem .....
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#6 Posted : 10 January 2013 10:26:11(UTC)
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#7 Posted : 10 January 2013 11:36:59(UTC)
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AFAICT, what they have done is released the results of a second 'experimental' model, which indicates lower temperatures. They have not withdrawn their 'main' model.

This is quite clever. It means that, whatever the climate does, they can claim that their models 'predicted' it. They have carefully avoided hanging their reputation on ANY outcome. I don't know how long it will take for the public and the politicians to realise that this kind of prediction means SFA. Probably never...
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#8 Posted : 10 January 2013 12:21:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dodgy Geezer Go to Quoted Post
AFAICT, what they have done is released the results of a second 'experimental' model, which indicates lower temperatures. They have not withdrawn their 'main' model.

This is quite clever. It means that, whatever the climate does, they can claim that their models 'predicted' it. They have carefully avoided hanging their reputation on ANY outcome. I don't know how long it will take for the public and the politicians to realise that this kind of prediction means SFA. Probably never...



The believe what they want to believe - as do we all, to a certain extent.

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#9 Posted : 10 January 2013 13:02:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Niall Warry Go to Quoted Post
As there is real evidence that the temperature has NOT increased in the last 10 years could charges against the Met Office for fraud be an option?

Do you think there is any chance of finding an honest court to hear the complaint? Over in West Pondia, our Muslim in Chief has been proven to be ineligible to hold office. Yet our "Legal" system is too afraid of his supporters to follow the law. Are things any better in East Pondia? Is there ANY "Leadership" in ANY of your significant political parties with the courage to take on the Green Terrorists?
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#10 Posted : 10 January 2013 13:03:11(UTC)
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Quite rightly the Good Lord thinks he's in charge of the weather, after all he built the system, so I guess he has right to such an opinion. He obviously also has a good sense of humour, judgeing by how often he makes a mockery of their pitiful prognostications..

We should all pray that he never get's pissed off at their braying and cover us all in 200 ft of ice.

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#11 Posted : 10 January 2013 13:25:36(UTC)
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There was a bit in the Mail yesterday about observed warming in the oceans, if true then that alone could lead to increased atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, the amount of gas taken up by them being temperature dependent. Early climate models ignored the oceans representing them as little more than a bucket of water, that may have changed, I don't know, they are a major influence on the Earth's climate.

Then there is activity in the Sun and the Earth's orbital changes around it which are well known factors in the climate changing, the onset of Ice Ages and their demise all common sense to those that take a holistic view rather than those that are stuck in their little corner of expertise.

I wish I could recall where I saw the ice core data, the graphs and all showing that in the past temperature rises preceded increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, which if true blows the carbon dioxide forcing theories out of the water?


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#12 Posted : 10 January 2013 13:35:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pipesmoker Go to Quoted Post
I wish I could recall where I saw the ice core data, the graphs and all showing that in the past temperature rises preceded increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, which if true blows the carbon dioxide forcing theories out of the water?




I'm fairly sure I've seen something similar as part of a Professor Bob Carter lecture that I caught on YouTube.

This is the first part of four: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

I haven't watched it for a couple of years so please accept my apologies if I'm wrong!
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#13 Posted : 10 January 2013 14:14:13(UTC)
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I've seen the data showing CO2 precedes temperature rise as well, in the meantime here's a handy graphic showing how much of the CO2 is man-made and also how much is produced by the UK.

http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/blog/our-co2/
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#14 Posted : 10 January 2013 14:32:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bertie Dugger Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: pipesmoker Go to Quoted Post
I wish I could recall where I saw the ice core data, the graphs and all showing that in the past temperature rises preceded increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, which if true blows the carbon dioxide forcing theories out of the water?




I'm fairly sure I've seen something similar as part of a Professor Bob Carter lecture that I caught on YouTube.

This is the first part of four: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

I haven't watched it for a couple of years so please accept my apologies if I'm wrong!


Bertie

That's my problem too, it was a long time ago, it registered but... I rather fancy it was somewhere on John Daly's site in Tasmania of who I was a follower until he died. The site is still there and maintained. Unfortunately my Linux system does not want to play with your link, down to the Adobe Flash player's latest version
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#15 Posted : 10 January 2013 14:41:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: meltemian Go to Quoted Post
I've seen the data showing CO2 precedes temperature rise as well, in the meantime here's a handy graphic showing how much of the CO2 is man-made and also how much is produced by the UK.

http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/blog/our-co2/


Just about sums up how futile our efforts are and how risible it is that our politicians think they can influence the Earth's climate. The Earth will look after itself, man may be a casualty. We are a transient species just like the rest of life, sharks may be the exception nothing appears to have got them yet?
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#16 Posted : 10 January 2013 22:31:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dodgy Geezer
AFAICT, what they have done is released the results of a second 'experimental' model, which indicates lower temperatures. They have not withdrawn their 'main' model.

This is quite clever. It means that, whatever the climate does, they can claim that their models 'predicted' it. They have carefully avoided hanging their reputation on ANY outcome. I don't know how long it will take for the public and the politicians to realise that this kind of prediction means SFA. Probably never


Here's the proof (via Bishops Hill)
http://notalotofpeoplekn.../10/spot-the-difference/
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