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#1 Posted : 09 January 2013 23:09:00(UTC)
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So we get another scare – this one coming from the United States, running the "isolation" meme. Perhaps we should have joined Nazi Europe in 1940 if "isolation" is such an issue.

In fact, successive US administrations have always supported European political integration, right from the time when the CIA was finding the European Movement, through to the Kennedy administration which did its level best to ease Britain into the EEC.

Now we get Philip Gordon, an unknown (in Britain) State Department official, telling us that it was in America's interests to see a "strong British voice within the EU". The man then has the temerity to question the idea of a plebicite, observing that: "Referendums have often turned countries inwards".

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#2 Posted : 09 January 2013 23:43:34(UTC)
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This is merely the policy of the Obama Administration. Not that it would have been any different if the OTHER guy was elected. Almost all of them are cut from the same cloth as yours. One World Government is their ideal, and they will stop at NOTHING to get it.
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We are an island. We are quite accustomed to being isolated. That's the way it is, for islands.
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#4 Posted : 10 January 2013 00:09:11(UTC)
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A quick scan of message boards and it appears the Yank diplomat has had the remarkable effect combining both the hard left anti americans and the little englanders.

Loving the mood of aggression its generated. Fight !

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#5 Posted : 10 January 2013 00:09:54(UTC)
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Gordon?

Gordon Bennett more like.

I would posit, to our great mate [USofA] across in West Pondia.

WTF has it got to do with you?.............


Let me hazard a guess, Obama did send very urgent signals to Draghi - sort out the EZ before my 're-election' or else and that is the story again - Barry does not want Dave to rock the boat, worse still secede...actually from the EU straitjacket.

But listen Barry!!

This is Britain's business [and none of yours] and our national interests will be more attuned to a world outlook once we pull out of the slave empire [EU] - so you could posit [and I do] that: America's interests would be best served by a Brexit from the EU.

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#6 Posted : 10 January 2013 01:06:42(UTC)
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According to Mr Gordon,
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“Countries which hold referendums tend to look inwards”.
So that's what New World Order types think of genuine democracies, which allow their citizens to control their countries' policies through regular plebiscites, is it? Instead they prefer sham-democracies (eg the US & UK) which allow their citizens a single vote once every 4 or 5 years - within a tightly-controlled party political framework where dissent from the leadership's official policy line often means political oblivion. So much for the US government's false & contorted idea of what true democracy is.

Mind you, avoiding the US's view of what democracy is, & therefore its political leadership, might well lead Britain to avoid getting into expensive wars justified by lies (the 2003 Iraq war) or accompanied by computerized assassinations of residents of neutral countries (Pakistan & Yemen in the currant Afghan war) - including as collateral damage women & children, & some of their own citizens (eg a 15 year-old American boy in Yemen).

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#7 Posted : 10 January 2013 01:08:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
' ... It would also be a good start if it told its junior state department officials to foxtrot oscar.'

It would be a welcome sign of our national recovery were a 'U'K prime minister to tell the Yanks that.

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#8 Posted : 10 January 2013 01:30:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post

I would posit, to our great mate [USofA] across in West Pondia.

WTF has it got to do with you?.............

Ravenscar,

I don't ever recall disagreeing with anything you've said, and I don't intend to start now but I would like to draw your attention to a necessary and very important distinction, one that we should be at pains to maintain. And that is the one between the "USofA", the country and its countrymen, on the one hand and the "American administration" on the other.

Yes, they're two different things, very different. And that's all the distinction we need. Besides, I'm sure you don't want to insult the former by confounding the two. The latter of course is the stinkiest kind of pure shit, just like ours.

Obummer & crew are not the USofA.

Yours ever so very diplomatically,
John

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#9 Posted : 10 January 2013 03:29:51(UTC)
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Thanks for posting this so as to let us know, Dr. N.
Of course, many of us have long suspected US/euSSR collaboration on our destruction. There's no doubt that BO hates us, and his wife with the froggish name isn't likely to be any more anglophile than Jackie was. But at least the dynamic's coming out in the open, so that makes it easier to deal with.

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#10 Posted : 10 January 2013 07:31:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Flashman Go to Quoted Post
A quick scan of message boards and it appears the Yank diplomat has had the remarkable effect combining both the hard left anti americans and the little englanders.

Loving the mood of aggression its generated. Fight !




I can imagine what the reaction would be should I carry out a straw poll on the local bus,would warm Mr Gordon's ears I have no doubt.Much the same as our government telling US citizens how and when to vote.

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#11 Posted : 10 January 2013 08:53:32(UTC)
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On the BBC evening 10 o'clock news this story was the lead item and there was absolutely NO attempt to balance the report with a counter view.

So it is clear which side the BBC will be on come the National debate which will make our job harder.

Still as we all know the BBC is institutionally bias!

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#12 Posted : 10 January 2013 09:33:36(UTC)
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#13 Posted : 10 January 2013 09:36:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Go to Quoted Post


Yup ... my piece says:

"In fact, successive US administrations have supported European political integration, right from the time when the CIA was funding the European Movement, through to the Kennedy administration which did its level best to ease Britain into the EEC."
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#14 Posted : 10 January 2013 11:37:59(UTC)
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I note the Telegraph is still taking its politics seriously

http://www.telegraph.co....legg-I-own-a-onesie.html
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#15 Posted : 10 January 2013 21:21:18(UTC)
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"We have a growing relationship with the EU as an institution, which has an increasing voice in the world, and we want to see a strong British voice in that EU. That is in America’s interests. We welcome an outward-looking EU with Britain in it".

No doubt De Gaulle had good reason for concern about American intentions when Britain sought entry into the Common Market (and after we had to dismantle our empire). Not quite the same as in our interests though, is it.

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