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#1 Posted : 07 January 2013 14:19:08(UTC)
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"The Prime Minister is expected to give a major speech on repatriating powers from Brussels in the Netherlands before the end of the month". That gem comes to you from genius Matt Chorley, the Daily Mail online political editor.

And we're supposed to take these children seriously?

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#2 Posted : 07 January 2013 14:41:52(UTC)
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I'm baffled, Dr. N.. Are you suggesting he thinks Brussels is in the Netherlands? He's not saying that - he's one of many who have got wind that the speech is to be delivered in the Netherlands.
And if that's not your suggestion - what's the fact that he's got wrong?
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#3 Posted : 07 January 2013 15:16:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Charlie Go to Quoted Post
I'm baffled, Dr. N.. Are you suggesting he thinks Brussels is in the Netherlands? He's not saying that - he's one of many who have got wind that the speech is to be delivered in the Netherlands.
And if that's not your suggestion - what's the fact that he's got wrong?



I certainly read it as as Cameron giving a major speech on repatriating powers ... from Brussels in the Netherlands.


Such is my low esteem of the media that I am certainly willing to accept that a Mail journalist doesn't know which country Brussels is in. If I've miss-cast it, then it reflects his poor writing technique. One tries to avoid accidental ambiguity. His phrasing can be read either of two ways.
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#4 Posted : 07 January 2013 15:28:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Charlie Go to Quoted Post
I'm baffled, Dr. N.. Are you suggesting he thinks Brussels is in the Netherlands? He's not saying that - he's one of many who have got wind that the speech is to be delivered in the Netherlands.
And if that's not your suggestion - what's the fact that he's got wrong?



I certainly read it as as Cameron giving a major speech on repatriating powers ... from Brussels in the Netherlands.


Such is my low esteem of the media that I am certainly willing to accept that a Mail journalist doesn't know which country Brussels is in. If I've miss-cast it, then it reflects his poor writing technique. One tries to avoid accidental ambiguity. His phrasing can be read either of two ways.


The Times reports:

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The Prime Minister is expected to deliver his much-heralded speech demanding a new relationship with the European Union in the Netherlands.


http://www.thetimes.co.u...itics/article3648830.ece

Though one is inclined to have a 'Lynne Truss moment', given that the lack of a comma still makes reading of the sentence unclear.
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#5 Posted : 07 January 2013 16:11:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Charlie Go to Quoted Post
I'm baffled, Dr. N.. Are you suggesting he thinks Brussels is in the Netherlands? He's not saying that - he's one of many who have got wind that the speech is to be delivered in the Netherlands.
And if that's not your suggestion - what's the fact that he's got wrong?



I certainly read it as as Cameron giving a major speech on repatriating powers ... from Brussels in the Netherlands.


Such is my low esteem of the media that I am certainly willing to accept that a Mail journalist doesn't know which country Brussels is in. If I've miss-cast it, then it reflects his poor writing technique. One tries to avoid accidental ambiguity. His phrasing can be read either of two ways.


The Times reports:

Quote:
The Prime Minister is expected to deliver his much-heralded speech demanding a new relationship with the European Union in the Netherlands.


http://www.thetimes.co.u...itics/article3648830.ece

Though one is inclined to have a 'Lynne Truss moment', given that the lack of a comma still makes reading of the sentence unclear.




Yeah ... both are badly written ... structure would be much better as subject-verb-object, followed by the location and then the qualifying or descriptive clause - precisely to avoid confusion.

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#6 Posted : 07 January 2013 16:36:30(UTC)
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Why the f--k is he giving a speech on Britain's relationship with the EU in the Netherlands? If he has something to say wouldn't it be more appropriate to say it directly to the British electorate in this country? Perhaps he is scared that a British audience might not like what he has to say?
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#7 Posted : 07 January 2013 16:52:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Robertm Go to Quoted Post
Why the f--k is he giving a speech on Britain's relationship with the EU in the Netherlands? If he has something to say wouldn't it be more appropriate to say it directly to the British electorate in this country? Perhaps he is scared that a British audience might not like what he has to say?


Bruges was fully booked?
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#8 Posted : 07 January 2013 17:06:48(UTC)
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Wring is wrong.
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#9 Posted : 07 January 2013 17:51:44(UTC)
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I thought this kind of elementary verbal confusion was one of the specific reasons newspapers employed editors — to spot and eliminate them.

Most of us talk and write in this way but almost always the context sorts it out and no one really notices. Actually I think ordinary language has oodles of potential for confusion and imprecision but eliminating these things puts one at the risk of sounding strained or pedantically verbose*.

Also if the listener or reader is tired then it's a lot easier to latch on to an incorrect meaning as the mind is only too happy to let the 'rut' do the steering.

Education helps but some people just have a natural talent for expressing themselves clearly which no amount of education can substitute for. I noticed this with colleagues, none of whom were dedicated wordsmiths as such, but quite a few of them had an apparently effortless and enviable flair in communicating their ideas. I remember one occasion where we had to explain some complicated findings and the resulting need for a particular course of action. I thought, "This is going to be a bugger to get across in digestible form," but my colleague went straight at it and had it done while I was still thinking about it. I was very impressed whereas he seemed to be completely unaware how effortless he made it seem. Not only that, the whole thing flowed so nicely. Booker's pieces have that hallmark. I bet he doesn't have to work at it.

There's someone else around here who's similar but I can't recall his name right now. Ha ha! :)

By the way, and for what it's worth, I understood what the hack here meant at first reading and had to take a second glance to notice the ambiguity. However, I feel quite fresh and was anticipating the thrust. Another time I'm sure it would have leapt out at me. Probably on a Wednesday just after a liquid lunch would be a good time for that. :)


* I understand the great Niels Bohr had a terrible time in trying to get what was in his head across clearly. He used to agonise over every word. The result wasn't always attractive, or clear. But it seems he managed nonetheless, eventually. :)
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#10 Posted : 07 January 2013 18:09:11(UTC)
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If he has something to say wouldn't it be more appropriate to say it directly to the British electorate in this country? Perhaps he is scared that a British audience might not like what he has to say?


That's a gross exaggeration - in fact impossible. I bet every member of the Cabinet will absolutely love it - and thats for starters. BigGrin
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#11 Posted : 07 January 2013 18:51:07(UTC)
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Wring is wrong.



That's why it's wring. BigGrin
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#12 Posted : 07 January 2013 19:33:09(UTC)
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Wring is wrong.



That's why it's wring. BigGrin


Exactly, as I presume you are referring to Cameron's neck BigGrin

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#13 Posted : 07 January 2013 19:52:12(UTC)
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If the Flemish movement in northern Belgium get their way it might be a matter of fact....

I've given up tormenting my (mostly Flemish) Belgian colleagues in this as they predictably bite every time we tell them we "heard on the news that Belgium has split".

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#14 Posted : 07 January 2013 20:07:58(UTC)
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Thought this a tad pathetic from Farage though.

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But Mr Farage hit back: 'Do I want a party where we've got some eccentrics and occasionally someone causes us an embarrassment – or do I want a party made up of a bland lot of ghastly people whose names I don't even know?

'I'm in politics, and I've never heard of half the MPs who come on the telly. I meet them at cocktail parties and after 30 minutes I can't remember their name,' he told The Guardian.



Maybe he should trying to take a bit more water with his drinks then.BigGrin


On a more sober note besides it being a rather juvenile riposte,it hardly warrants great confidence in his leadership abilities if he is unaware of the opposition,one should never take ones enemies for granted.At least they have been elected as MPs which is more than he has achieved.If this is a reflection of his capabilities UKIP are indeed in dire straights

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#15 Posted : 07 January 2013 23:01:35(UTC)
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In the Telegraph there is the article about the Spitfire crash-landing at Midlands Airport.

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The spitfire, which is based at the airport, is one of around 35 still able to fly around the world.


That's some range.. BigGrin
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#16 Posted : 07 January 2013 23:29:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DavidJones Go to Quoted Post
Wring is wrong.



That's why it's wring. BigGrin


I hate having to explain jokes.

@David Phipps.

That's the interpretation I like.. LOL

@ JaguarDriver.

Exactly the sort of crap imprecise language noted.

Note to self...

Must learn this multiquote thingy.
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#17 Posted : 08 January 2013 00:21:54(UTC)
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Will he, I wonder, follow his undoubtedly show stopping repatriation of powers trick with the twin miracles of feeding a multitude with five loaves and two fishes and walking on water?

Thinking about things, he could cut benefits, and the overseas aid bill, 'at a stroke' (Whose memorable phrase was that?) if he can pull off the loaves and fishes job.
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