"The lies of Cameron and co are designed to one end, to keep the EU in control of the UK. We are bound into a developing political union which is not required to achieve free trade or access the single market. But the vested interests of the political class demand that the EU becomes the government of the member states against the wishes of voters, so the lies are told and repeated without challenge by the craven media which is desperate to keep 'access' to the politicians. That's how the game works".

So says Autonomous Mind in as neat a summary of the state of play as you will get. Additionally, he takes on board the latest effluvia from Damian Reece in The Daily Telegraph, and his piece entitled "We may soon need Europe more than Europe needs us".

The decidedly pro-EU spin from this member of the "hack pack" is but a small indicator of the things to come. We are deluding ourselves if we believe the legacy media is going to back an "out" campaign. They will fall into line with the establishment, and promote continued membership for all they are worth.

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This from the ConHome site: http://conservativehome....alitiion-government.html

At no. 17 is this "An EU referendum lock gives some protection against further loss of sovereignty."

At no. 23 is this "Immigration has been capped. The Government is making progress in cutting net immigration from the hundreds to the tens of thousands."

At no. 52 is this "Less red tape for everyone. From this month the "one in, one out" rule is changed to "one in, two out." This excludes regulation imposed by the EU. (my emphasis)

At no. 57 is this "In December 2011 David Cameron vetoed an EU Treaty which would have meant a further loss of sovereignty."

At no. 75 is this bullet point "We now export more to outside the EU than inside the EU."

They are clearly trying to fight back against all the "useless Tories" claims.

No doubt, tractor production is up as well ...

Fieldmill,

Thumbs up to that. :)

Grant Schapps has just been on the World this Weekend to tell us (at least 3 times) that Dave, the most eurosceptic Prime Minister ever, was the only one to have vetoed a European Treaty. He didn't say which treaty and wasn't going to give us any pearls of wisdom from the forthcoming speech. He had his little list of the coalitions 100 greatest hits with him though.

Dave was on the Andrew Marr show and was apparently being reticent about the content of the speech which he probably hasn't written yet.

couldn't agree more, we are all freeborn, but none of us have the monopoly on ideas and vision; I choose my own path, sometime it travels with others, sometimes at odds but it is my choice. I happen to agree with The HA goals 100%, but want to have some influence on the way to achieve that. I have ideas and some vision about certain things, others have their own ideas and vision that may be better or worse than my own. If better I'll defer, if not I'll try to persuade, educate and reason.

I'll make my own choices for as long as I see the benefit in such, and stand by my own mistakes or success.

Edited by user 06 January 2013 14:46:34(UTC)  | Reason: E&O

Well said, fieldmill!
Must say I love your "neverendum" --hope it gains wider currency!

Also agree with your point on the way we accept marxist/deconstructionist labelling! It's a tactic we should combat by recognition/revelation and correction, and "eurosceptics" is a good place to start. Indeed, "patriots, pro-democrats or anti-federalists would be a better description" ... and perhaps we could add variations, such as: "Britons."

Your response to threats of: "'isolation" and "second class status" is also worthy of adoption! As things stand, we pay first class fees but receive steerage class status in return.
Furthermore, we are, by gift of global warming after the Younger Dryas, mercifully and geographically separate from the euSSR. This natural situation has, hitherto, helped keep us safe from its ancestors,** whose "loving embrace" we might well characterise as Lamian or Saturnine --- for she devours everything we are and have into her own substance. We. though, already have Shakespeare's lesson before us: With eager feeding food doth choke the feeder:/Light vanity, insatiate cormorant, Consuming means, soon preys upon itself (RII, II.i). This "europa," that now imprints its name on our stamps, represents a pagan goddess and requires us to sacrifice to her, rather than to worship Almighty God.

"And the unknown [my stress] which would allegedly await us" outside the monstrous idol is actually unknown chiefly to her own landlocked mentalities... but not to us. We are the free-roaming, seafarers, remember: we have been leaders among the greatest explorers and seekers after knowledge in the greater globe: that's why so much of it speaks English. Ignorance of worldly reality has been forced on our young only since the euSSR enchained our education and caged their minds in cheap little plastic boxes.

These then are my few suggestion in support of your excellent approach to dealing with the lies. I'm sure others can develop them even further


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**Much as (or even because) the Marxists have assaulted our reputation, we could doubtless find uses for other parts of Gaunt's speech in Richard II II.i:
This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
[ . . . ]
This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,
Like to a tenement or pelting farm:
England, bound in with the triumphant sea
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
That England, that was wont to conquer others,
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.

Edited by user 07 January 2013 05:31:31(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Vincent,

I recall reading a piece written by a former civil servant which said that there was often an attempt to tack all sorts of pet ideas onto EU legislation, but a large part of the bloat was caused by the preamble to the legislation and their attempts to deal with it. It just wasn't a form of framing legislation that they could cope with. There's no question that the UK government has used the EU as an excuse for doing things that they wanted to do anyway and not asked for reasonable exemptions which would avoided a lot of expense and bureaucracy which were a necessary part of a scheme they had in mind all along.

I'd hazard that a lot of things we see in the UK are the consequence of an obsession with compensation and insurance.

As for blaming Whitehall, well it's certainly naive to blame all our problems on the EU and therefore to assume that they will vanish automatically by leaving. It often seems to me that the form of government the EU represents, a civil service left to run things and politicians there for show and never changing anything much, unless it grows the administrative sector, is a form of government the UK has been embracing since WWII.