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#1 Posted : 05 January 2013 12:17:30(UTC)
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Chris Grayling, interviewed in The Daily Telegraph today, argues that David Cameron should be supported on his stance on the European Union. And in so doing, he encapsulates the very reasons why so many people will not support him.

Only someone completely detached from reality, for instance, would think it sensible to argue how important it is, as Grayling does, that "if we're setting down a path towards renegotiation that people get behind David Cameron and give him the benefit of the doubt …".

One really does have to wonder at what is going through Grayling's head here. If one had to choose one theme that dominated contemporary political discourse, it would have to be the growing lack of trust in the political classes, and the strengthening of the anti-politician mood.

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#2 Posted : 05 January 2013 12:32:37(UTC)
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No comments allowed for that one either.

I get the impression that the Conservatives are going through the motions with this reform business.
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#3 Posted : 05 January 2013 13:37:02(UTC)
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No comments allowed for that one either.

I get the impression that the Conservatives are going through the motions with this reform business.



They can play their games, but it will cost them the election.

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#4 Posted : 05 January 2013 13:52:24(UTC)
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They can play their games, but it will cost them the election.



That assumes they care about winning the election as anything more than a nice to have. On any reasonable basis, the election is already lost, as there's a lot more to the mess they are in than mid-term blues caused by necessary but unpopular policies.

What if far more than winning the election, they don't want to get out of the EU, they don't want to be held responsible for greasing the skids, and they most definitely do not want to be in office when the UK is getting out?



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#5 Posted : 05 January 2013 15:03:56(UTC)
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This forthcoming speech is going to have to be good with plenty to get the voters back. As he tells us we have to stay in the EU to be good Conservatives, he is hardly making things easy for himself. Whatever he offers, which will far short of leaving the EU, Labour and the Libdims will also offer. There will have to be a lot more to come before May 2015.
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#6 Posted : 05 January 2013 15:38:04(UTC)
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This forthcoming speech is going to have to be good with plenty to get the voters back. As he tells us we have to stay in the EU to be good Conservatives, he is hardly making things easy for himself. Whatever he offers, which will far short of leaving the EU, Labour and the Libdims will also offer. There will have to be a lot more to come before May 2015.



If he continues playing the dance of the seven veils, my guess is that people will lose patience with his. He's pushing his luck already.

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#7 Posted : 05 January 2013 15:51:20(UTC)
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Staggeringly the bubble Cameron is in not only prevents him having any perception of what the people are thinking but also prevents him having any understanding of his broken promises to date.

Any serious conservative could no longer support this man in any shape or form.
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#8 Posted : 05 January 2013 17:44:56(UTC)
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I my mind, there can be no doubt whatsoever, that Cameron benefits the country not at all, doubtless too, is his ambiguous and utterly confused EU stance - in fact Mr. Cameron's every utterance obscures all [Conservative] policy strategies relevant to Britain's EU status.

I have to ask once more, what is he [Mr. Cameron] for? And for that, I can provide no answer.
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#9 Posted : 05 January 2013 19:31:01(UTC)
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Beats me why anyone takes any of these Peter Pan types seriously. From inside their 'bubble,' they play "see, hear, speak, and do no evil" without ever considering the meaning of "evil" - let alone the possibility that their obscenity is an aspect of it. If Cameron wore a veil of steel a foot thick, it still wouldn't hide the ugliness of his dancing form.

But his hollow persona bears the label "Rt. Honorable," and he apparently believes it even though his list of failures would make a better person resign. The fact is that his broken promises alone render him dishonorable. As to "Right"--- the antiphon to him could be Nancy Sinatra's song, "These Boots are Made for Walking." He hasn't "been right yet," he "keeps lyin' when he oughta be truthin' " and, some day soon, our "boots are gonna walk right over" him.

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#10 Posted : 05 January 2013 20:19:00(UTC)
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Occasionally I like to do the vision thing. So here's my vision for camoron and approximately 650 other occupants of that cesspit in Westminster.

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