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#1 Posted : 03 January 2013 19:50:43(UTC)
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In "attack dog" mode, Witterings from Witney takes on Open Europe on its own turf, arguing the case on Norwegian "influence". And, by the time WfW had been joined by Boiling Frog, Autonomous Mind, and yours truly, plus the invaluable input of Christina Speight and others, Open Europe had nowhere to go.

Chief propagandist, Mats Persson has in the past been determined to project Norway as having "virtually no way of influencing the decision-making process [in the EU] to reflect its national interests", but the "team" now has to concede that the country does have "some" influence, although the boys and girls insist it is "marginal".

What they cannot do, however – and make no attempt at doing – is to address the issue of Norway's membership of a multiplicity of international organisations, which give it a huge amount of influence, and enable it largely to dictate EU laws, at a global and regional level.

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#2 Posted : 03 January 2013 20:52:54(UTC)
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Can I suggest Richard or even request that you find some specific legislation or regulation that has come down from these higher sources than the EU maybe to the point of how it looks from these higher sources right the way through to EU legislation and hence how the law even ends up affecting Britain? Follow it every step of the way? Maybe even how Norway affected the legislation from its very roots?
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Whats the betting that this snippet of news doesn't make their press summary tomorrow? BigGrin

Just saying.........
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#4 Posted : 03 January 2013 21:43:13(UTC)
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Can I suggest Richard or even request that you find some specific legislation or regulation that has come down from these higher sources than the EU maybe to the point of how it looks from these higher sources right the way through to EU legislation and hence how the law even ends up affecting Britain? Follow it every step of the way? Maybe even how Norway affected the legislation from its very roots?

One example is the Basel II Accord, which - I think - Norway chose to receive via the EU although did not have to.
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#5 Posted : 03 January 2013 22:57:34(UTC)
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Can I suggest Richard or even request that you find some specific legislation or regulation that has come down from these higher sources than the EU maybe to the point of how it looks from these higher sources right the way through to EU legislation and hence how the law even ends up affecting Britain? Follow it every step of the way? Maybe even how Norway affected the legislation from its very roots?



Rear view mirrors for trucks ... that's how we discovered the diqule. I'll look it up.

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#6 Posted : 03 January 2013 23:14:57(UTC)
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Thanks for the link Richard, I have to say I have never known such a response to my comments across the MSM as about my recent ones on the Norway model. One suspects it has got certain people running scared.
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#7 Posted : 03 January 2013 23:38:02(UTC)
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Thanks for the link Richard, I have to say I have never known such a response to my comments across the MSM as about my recent ones on the Norway model. One suspects it has got certain people running scared.



I'm sure you are right. They would not be so keen to discourage the idea if it had no merit.

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#8 Posted : 03 January 2013 23:47:48(UTC)
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Can I suggest Richard or even request that you find some specific legislation or regulation that has come down from these higher sources than the EU maybe to the point of how it looks from these higher sources right the way through to EU legislation and hence how the law even ends up affecting Britain? Follow it every step of the way? Maybe even how Norway affected the legislation from its very roots?



Rear view mirrors for trucks ... that's how we discovered the diqule. I'll look it up.



Thanks Dr North, a timely reminder...
http://www.openmarket.or...ew-discovery-the-diqule/
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#9 Posted : 04 January 2013 08:30:31(UTC)
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Rear view mirrors for trucks ... that's how we discovered the diqule. I'll look it up.



My only point is that there seems to have been mostly non-evidential arguments used to push the Norway option. Reading the OE blog discussion, which might have been edited, our side has not produced any evidence to support our "model" as OE puts it. I offer this as constructive criticism as I mean you sterling fellows no insult.
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#10 Posted : 04 January 2013 09:52:55(UTC)
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About four years ago, there was a (main page) post that quoted the cravenly europhile Centre For European Reform's "mission statement" alongside that of the ginger group Open Europe. (I've spent too long searching for the post and can't find it.) Anyway, the two texts were indistinguishable. It reminded me of the "Al Gore or Unabomber?" quiz from ages ago: http://www.crm114.com/algore/quiz.html

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#11 Posted : 04 January 2013 10:03:10(UTC)
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Hunting as a pack, though, a quartet of bloggers and others has exposed the organisation for what it is, nothing more than a rather sad apologist for the EU that cannot even stand up its own arguments when challenged.
Of course it's entirely up to him, but I would love to see a Christopher Brooker Sunday paper article on the "Norway fax" false flag scam, & those who propagate it.

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#12 Posted : 04 January 2013 10:44:04(UTC)
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Thanks for the link Richard, I have to say I have never known such a response to my comments across the MSM as about my recent ones on the Norway model. One suspects it has got certain people running scared.



I'm sure you are right. They would not be so keen to discourage the idea if it had no merit.




Responses to my comments are still coming in thick and fast. What's interesting is the nature and quality of the answers - although many are incorrect there's a definite pattern of straw men techniques and a tendency to really go for the detail. Perhaps I'm being paranoid but it's looking suspiciously like an organised campaign
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#13 Posted : 04 January 2013 12:51:01(UTC)
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Perhaps I'm being paranoid but it's looking suspiciously like an organised campaign


Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in fer me.

Someone had to say it. LOL
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