Experience tells me the noisier they become the nearer we are to exposing their lies.

In my old job when that happened on the doorstep it usually meant a bag of knocked fags behind the sofa.

Edited by user 02 January 2013 06:07:33(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Hannan must have a considerable stash then ...

http://blogs.telegraph.c...-should-hold-no-terrors/

People like Jenkins and Hannan are still pushing the idea of an 'In Europe but not ruled by Europe' fantasy position. There's never any explanation of how this new relationship within 'Europe' is going to be brought about and what happens when the others say no.

For europhiles the fully in and joining the Euro option has receded to a distant prospect, so the 'new relationship' line is the best they have for now.

The Conservatives are being asked to call heads or tails on a tossed coin, but are attempting to argue that these are both extreme positions and that the time to make a choice is not now anyway.

The Conservative position is a mess because they've maintained a dishonest position on the EU for years. If they declared for heads or tails they would split.

I doubt that Cameron's speech will be anything but waffle and a promise to do something really, really eurosceptic sounding, after the next GE. It avoids making a clear declaration of their position and offers a bit of bait to vote Conservative.

Hannan's a Conservative and they are in a difficult position. He's been told, or twigged, that calling the lie on the party's phoney position will do him no good.

Article 50 means out and the extinguishing of hope for in. The shake it all about, half-way position could still be in and at least isn't the death of hope.

A lot of people, who should know better, seem to believe that it's possible to just negotiate with Brussels. Get off a plane in Brussels and start negotiating.

There's a marked reluctance to accept that the question of the EU is pretty much black and white, in and committed to ever closer union or out and not committed to ever closer union.

You've got them pegged. That's their style all right.

Besides, "That was then; this is now. We have to move on...."

I swear I want to cripple people who speak that way. I'd have them 'move on' to life on a drip feed in a wheel chair. It's their sheer arrogance that does it for me. Just who the hell do they think they are? Somebody once told them that they were a bright young things? And they still believe it? Geez! Double damn if they 'gained' a first in PPE.

Actually, my experience with that type is that they have very fragile egos. It's remarkably easy to wound them. The downside is that it never heals. The relationship is dead. Probably just as well too.

Comet,

Forget Steve Hilton — very small beer. You could make a very good living as an adviser.