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#1 Posted : 31 December 2012 14:25:04(UTC)
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You can be assured that, whenever the European Union debate reaches any level of prominence, up will pop the Confederation of British Industry on the wrong side of the argument, spraying out scare stories with gay abandon.

Right on cue, therefore, out of the woodwork comes CBI director-general, John Cridland, full of the wobblies about how the UK must stay in "Europe" to "boost business success".

What is so predictable and dire about the man is the leaden language and the total absence of imagination. The corporate bureaucrat thus tells us in his New Year address that "the UK has ensured its values of free and open trade have been at the heart of Europe over the last 40 years".

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#2 Posted : 31 December 2012 14:37:38(UTC)
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It has long forgotten what the "B" in CBI stands for


Bastards...?
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#3 Posted : 31 December 2012 14:49:08(UTC)
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Totally agree with this analysis.The CBI speaks for big business and the global corporates who would quite happily stand by watching our individual freedoms and rights disappear ...complete and utter bastards the lot of them.


As for protecting the financial services...does he mean that shady lot who have cost us in the region of £130 bn to date in bailouts(and counting)as well as requiring huge government backed guarantees against future failures just so they can stay in business.

We have reason to celebrate and defend this "nationally beneficial" state of affairs because....?

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#4 Posted : 31 December 2012 14:50:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheBoilingFrog Go to Quoted Post
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It has long forgotten what the "B" in CBI stands for


Bastards...?

That's cleared that one up!

Now how about someone taking a punt at what the 'C' actually stands for?
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#5 Posted : 31 December 2012 14:59:34(UTC)
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It's a difficult one. So here's a little clue:

Cnuting Bastards Incorporated

I like to think the name will stick.
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#6 Posted : 31 December 2012 15:07:37(UTC)
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CEUI doesn't really have the ring to it as CBI so perhaps that is why they have not changed their name. You can always really on big government pro-EU BBC to put a pro-EU article from the CBI up on its pages. I don't watch BBC News but no doubt it will be on there too. As the other main TV News channels are also pro-EU it will likely feature on those.
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Originally Posted by: thespecialone Go to Quoted Post
CEUI doesn't really have the ring to it as CBI so perhaps that is why they have not changed their name. You can always really on big government pro-EU BBC to put a pro-EU article from the CBI up on its pages. I don't watch BBC News but no doubt it will be on there too. As the other main TV News channels are also pro-EU it will likely feature on those.


That's the problem ... the CBI is guaranteed an uncritical hearing from the media.

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#8 Posted : 31 December 2012 17:04:44(UTC)
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The EUWhores are on the run....did you see this abject garbage in the Sunday Failygraph

Banks fear 'risk to City’ of EU exit
Some of the City’s largest banks are privately warning the Treasury that moves towards Britain leaving the European Union would be a disaster for the City and would jeopardise confidence in the economic recovery.

So the biggest collection of thieving scum on the planet are getting worried that their thieving might be impacted if we walked away from another collection of thieving scum...had the EUWhores any brains they would realise that invoking that lot, will only encourage the get out now thinking.

O/T

Wind turbines 'only lasting for half as long as previously thought' as study shows they show signs of wearing out after just 12 years

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co....years.html#ixzz2GeN2Uf4c
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This will finish the Bird Choppers once and for all.
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#9 Posted : 31 December 2012 17:57:20(UTC)
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Posted by Richard: "as should anyone who projects their narrow sectional interests as representing the national interest. " I haven't figured out selective quotations yet.

This will form the basis of the attack of the 'philes, amply supported by the "legacy" media, 90% of public opinion is still formed by it, including the BBC and at this moment we haven't got the facilty to counter it
The whole damn entity rides on a tide of narrow vested interest and cosidering that <5% actually consider it as the major issue I don't know the best way forward. The trade deficit being what it is there's no way that trade will suddenly stop but that is not how it will be portrayed is it.
The terror campaign has begun.



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#10 Posted : 31 December 2012 18:06:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: F U Fed Up Go to Quoted Post
The EUWhores are on the run....did you see this abject garbage in the Sunday Failygraph

Banks fear 'risk to City’ of EU exit
Some of the City’s largest banks are privately warning the Treasury that moves towards Britain leaving the European Union would be a disaster for the City and would jeopardise confidence in the economic recovery.

So the biggest collection of thieving scum on the planet are getting worried that their thieving might be impacted if we walked away from another collection of thieving scum...had the EUWhores any brains they would realise that invoking that lot, will only encourage the get out now thinking.

O/T

Wind turbines 'only lasting for half as long as previously thought' as study shows they show signs of wearing out after just 12 years

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co....years.html#ixzz2GeN2Uf4c
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

This will finish the Bird Choppers once and for all.


I admire your optimism but it's as likely for some sort of state mainainance or replacement subsidy to be created. Megamoney is involved and they're not going to leave it.

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#11 Posted : 31 December 2012 18:09:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheBoilingFrog Go to Quoted Post
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It has long forgotten what the "B" in CBI stands for


Bastards...?

Or possibly, I'm allright jack bastards.

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#12 Posted : 31 December 2012 18:14:47(UTC)
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Corporate Bullshit Institute.


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EU (and the EEC before it) has never embraced free trade within the territorial boundaries of its member states, the grouping comprising a customs union, which is a very different thing. It is designed not to pursue economic prosperity but to drive political union.


The fingers are singing Doc! Astute analysis, excellent stuff.

Oh yeah.................... and Happy new year to the 'North dynasty' and to each and every commenter.

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#13 Posted : 31 December 2012 19:18:16(UTC)
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And another thing, it seems some are hoping for a revelation from Cameron this mid Jan.

That boy, he doesn't have a 'revelatory bone', in his damned body. No, he is a consensus-managerial bod', a middle of the road, I can't make a decision without consultation - we'll see, in the meantime, nothing left to chance, all bases covered, angles etc, a maybe man.

And even if he does 'promise' something, we need some real conviction....... But then, miracles do happen, actually he could start the process, that he certainly could do.

Cameron knows, he sees the ground is shifting under his feet, the tectonic plates are sliding apart. A new reality is dawning on many people, the old politics of; everybody in the boat and a (Westminster claque of) left of centre liberal mush. Mingling its extravagant welfarism and public sector bonanza but it is going forever, the financial reality is beginning to bite and bite down extremely hard. We and the whole of Europe just cannot afford it. Unless it is stopped, it will result in an economic and social catastrophe, the likes of which have not been witnessed since the fall of the Empire of Rome.
Put simply. big state spending and opening the spigot, diffusing the money like a muck spreader. Sustainability and public 'investment' are the buzz words of the liberal cognoscenti, when actually they entail the economics of the madhouse. Slowly though, the nation comes to its senses [the rise of UKIP IS NOT JUST about the EU and Dave knows this] - and some [more than a few] are beginning to realize that a vote for ConLiblab = turning Britain into the dustbin of the world - which now we very nearly are. All helped, persuaded and encouraged from EU HQ @ Berlaymont.

So, whatever the Prime Minister 'promises' on mid January it is irrelevant to the Tory party fortunes, what Cameron could start though is point the way out of the maze of the EU entanglement, whether his mates [backers and cronies] will allow that remains to be seen.
He has an opportunity to grasp the moment and become a man who can make history, the man who helped to initiate the navigation out of the clutches of the jaundiced Brussels Empire.

Maybe.
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He has an opportunity to grasp the moment and become a man who can make history, the man who helped to initiate the navigation out of the clutches of the jaundiced Brussels Empire.

Maybe.


That opportunity has been stareing him in the face and hollering at the top of it's voice for months......what has he done, other than prevaricate. He makes Ethelred the Unready look like a Terminator on speed.
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
And another thing, it seems some are hoping for a revelation from Cameron this mid Jan.

That boy, he doesn't have a 'revelatory bone', in his damned body. No, he is a consensus-managerial bod', a middle of the road, I can't make a decision without consultation - we'll see, in the meantime, nothing left to chance, all bases covered, angles etc, a maybe man.

And even if he does 'promise' something, we need some real conviction....... But then, miracles do happen, actually he could start the process, that he certainly could do.

Cameron knows, he sees the ground is shifting under his feet, the tectonic plates are sliding apart. A new reality is dawning on many people, the old politics of; everybody in the boat and a (Westminster claque of) left of centre liberal mush. Mingling its extravagant welfarism and public sector bonanza but it is going forever, the financial reality is beginning to bite and bite down extremely hard. We and the whole of Europe just cannot afford it. Unless it is stopped, it will result in an economic and social catastrophe, the likes of which have not been witnessed since the fall of the Empire of Rome.
Put simply. big state spending and opening the spigot, diffusing the money like a muck spreader. Sustainability and public 'investment' are the buzz words of the liberal cognoscenti, when actually they entail the economics of the madhouse. Slowly though, the nation comes to its senses [the rise of UKIP IS NOT JUST about the EU and Dave knows this] - and some [more than a few] are beginning to realize that a vote for ConLiblab = turning Britain into the dustbin of the world - which now we very nearly are. All helped, persuaded and encouraged from EU HQ @ Berlaymont.

So, whatever the Prime Minister 'promises' on mid January it is irrelevant to the Tory party fortunes, what Cameron could start though is point the way out of the maze of the EU entanglement, whether his mates [backers and cronies] will allow that remains to be seen.
He has an opportunity to grasp the moment and become a man who can make history, the man who helped to initiate the navigation out of the clutches of the jaundiced Brussels Empire.

Maybe.


Great post. Cameron could have wiped UKIP of the map with ease but that's not his stated position "I think Britain should remain in the eu" I realise that Richard has issues and history with Farage but without his input we would not be having the discussion for at least ten more years, the governments position would be it's all going swimmingly nothing to see here move along.
I'm looking forward to said speech but I don't hold out and hope for much change, a calculated minimum to placate the populace.
Only a miniscule percentage realise that without invoking article 50 there will be no meaningful negotiating at all.

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He makes Ethelred the Unready look like a Terminator on speed.


Loike that I does.


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I'm looking forward to said speech but I don't hold out and hope for much change, a calculated minimum to placate the populace.
Only a miniscule percentage realise that without invoking article 50 there will be no meaningful negotiating at all.



On the former, I fear you are right, on the latter, the news filters slowly. Because - you have to be interested and concerned enough to find out, the great organ of communication - the Auntie and mother of all objectivity should have explained the situation when the damn constitution [lets call a spade a spade] was signed by MacBruin. ie, that there's a clause to help us pull out............. Musing aloud, I wonder if, Monsieur. Valéry Marie René Georges Giscard d'Estaing deliberately installed this clause?
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
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He makes Ethelred the Unready look like a Terminator on speed.


Loike that I does.


flyinthesky:

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I'm looking forward to said speech but I don't hold out and hope for much change, a calculated minimum to placate the populace.
Only a miniscule percentage realise that without invoking article 50 there will be no meaningful negotiating at all.



On the former, I fear you are right, on the latter, the news filters slowly. Because - you have to be interested and concerned enough to find out, the great organ of communication - the Auntie and mother of all objectivity should have explained the situation when the damn constitution [lets call a spade a spade] was signed by MacBruin. ie, that there's a clause to help us pull out............. Musing aloud, I wonder if, Monsieur. Valéry Marie René Georges Giscard d'Estaing deliberately installed this clause?


On the former, yes I think I am, on the latter I don't have the literary eloquence to convey the gravity of our situation, on the incidental I leave with one of many of my in stock quotes:
"The good thing about not calling it a constitution is that no-one can ask for a referendum on it"
Giuliano Amato.
Meanwhile it's well past beer o clock, Happy and fruitful new year to you and all.

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Meanwhile it's well past beer o clock, Happy and fruitful new year to you and all.


Good on yer, think I'll break open an Old Pewk or three, before I meet some friends - a quiet do - honest.
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