Judging from the output of the loss-making Guardian over the least few days, an EU referendum is a thing to be dreaded – purely on the basis that we are going to have to suffer the tedium of europhiles offering the same stale, tired arguments for EU membership that we have heard so many times before.

So far, we have a fairly good handle on their tactics, and they are all so predictable that one is tempted to go to sleep and wake up nearer the time, when the fight has picked up a bit of pace.

However, there is one new tactic we need to watch, and that is the recruitment of Open Europe as a "false flag" operation, offering a europhile pitch in the guise of a "moderate" eurosceptic operation.

It should come as no surprise, therefore, to see the EU-loving Guardian giving space to Open Europe's Mats Perrson, to tell us that the UK would face four options outside the EU, and "all four would be disadvantageous to the UK".

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We can always be friendly ... it is better then being enemies and shooting each other. But then, who was it who said that nations have no friends, only interests? But, if going with the rhetoric makes things easier, and Delors wants to be cuddly, I'm not going to argue.

An excellent point, which can be applied to the 'U'K. Let's have England out of that union too, while we're at it.

Splitting the polity is of course the point. Dividing the peoples of the four nations within the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland just makes the takeover easier.

No one, can ever tell me, that our own civil servants were neutral in the European stitch up, they were complicit since the end of WWII and Maastricht probably one of the biggest nails in the coffin, Thatcher fought Europe at Maastricht - no she didn't she was fighting her own civil servants.

Classic, low-grade personality politics. That is what the DM does.

And here's little me thinking it was about true democracy and, taking 'responsibility' for one's own self and how 'our' monies are spent.

Unlike some, I am not too enamored with the idea of localism or direct democracy, but I can see many of its benefits over the current system. I do not call what we have now a democracy, and have never considered it such.



French farmers' and fishermen are prepared to literally stand-up and FIGHT for what they see is their right. In turn, French politicians' will be wise to, look, listen and obey. I envy the French !

Of course, once political union is achieved, I doubt the CAP will survive that much longer, as it won't matter a jot who the French vote for, as they will have diluted their political clout. They will be smaller fish, in a much bigger pond, as will we, if we don't get a move on.



That is so true. I know a few Polish and, they HATE both the Germans' and the Russians' with a passion. Never could understand it myself. Good cars, great Vodka !


Complete B*****ks. Learn some history.



In a 'society' they're those who want to lead, and mostly can't (David). They're those who want to be lead, but really should learn to take responsibility. And then there is a very few, like myself, who want neither to lead or follow. However I would be happy to do either, if by doing so, it would be beneficial to the society. Its just how it is.

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Nigel Farages New Year message to the troops

http://www.youtube.com/w...feature=player_embedded#!

First time I heard him mention Article 50. (1:56) :)

I think useful idiots would be closer.

Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have quite gotten the hang of this article 50 lark. He seems to think it's about staying in and renegotiating, whereas it's giving notice of exit and negotiating.