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#1 Posted : 22 December 2012 22:00:32(UTC)
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One of the more conspicuous features of British life nowadays, writes Booker, is how many people who are, in one way or another, found seriously at fault, such as by failing to do their job properly, are nevertheless allowed to get away with it without having to pay any penalty.

That much I hinted at in my own piece but Booker takes the theme much further. We see almost daily examples, he tells us, such as when the head of a major news organisation, forced to resign in what should be disgrace, walks away with £11 million; or a senior council executive fired for incompetence is then given a grotesquely inflated pay-off, such as the former head of Haringey social services compensated with £1 million for her wrongful dismissal after the Baby P scandal.

Even more familiar are the cases of people who make every kind of mess of a job they are overpaid for and never get sacked at all, such as those "quango queens", who move effortlessly from one post to another, hopelessly out of their depth in every one. "What does it take to get sacked", we may ask, "if you are at the top of an organisation in modern Britain?"

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#2 Posted : 22 December 2012 22:24:00(UTC)
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At this point, had I been writing the piece, I would be asking: "And the reason we don't rise up and slaughter them is?"


Just so long as you don't Tweet such a thing - Remember what happened to Paul Chambers!


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#3 Posted : 22 December 2012 22:24:08(UTC)
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Booker, of course, takes something of a personal interest in this, because it is just a year since he wrote a long report for the Global Warming Policy Foundation analysing how and why the BBC had so blatantly flouted its charter in its reporting on climate change – from its shamelessly distorted coverage of the scientific debate to the way it has turned itself into a propaganda arm of the wind industry.


As an example the 10 o'clock news just now has been completely shameless on blaming the Christmas getaway problems regarding the weather on climate change. It, and the rest of the establishment, are making a leviathanic rod for their own backs...
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#4 Posted : 22 December 2012 22:32:09(UTC)
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I think a few more people shouldn't pay their TV licence 'like what I don't'!!
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#5 Posted : 23 December 2012 00:45:14(UTC)
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BBC staff including Helen Boaden, its director of news (who, after a brief absence from work following her involvement in the Savile fiasco, last week waltzed happily back into her £354,000-a-year job as if nothing had happened).

I dunno, what does she do? What competencies does she administer to - that could not be ably performed and dispensed by a reasonably well educated monkey?

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#6 Posted : 23 December 2012 00:50:46(UTC)
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I think a few more people shouldn't pay their TV licence 'like what I don't'!!

Me neither. One of the best decisions I ever made. Hardly a day goes by when I do not feel pleased about it. I have accidentally caught a few better programmes lately, like the one on BBC4 about the jet engine the other night. I am still committed to paying it again if the quality gets back to an acceptable level.

I've just found out that Spain is deporting ex-Muslim Imran Firasat back to Pakistan for making a video that is offensive to Muslims. Spain is a member of the European Council and must abide by the European Convention on Human Rights, which includes the right to free expression. Not worth the paper its written on.

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#7 Posted : 23 December 2012 07:38:43(UTC)
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As an example the 10 o'clock news just now has been completely shameless on blaming the Christmas getaway problems regarding the weather on climate change. It, and the rest of the establishment, are making a leviathanic rod for their own backs..



This climate change crap is beginning to wear on the populace. More and more people I speak to are switching off and seeing it for what it is - 'a catch-all excuse' for everything in order to direct peoples attention away.

e.g The government fails to build water reservoirs to meet both current and futures demands. We get a dry winter and a warm spring, (not summer) and we get a hosepipe ban. Whose to blame ? Answer, simple, its that climate change malarkey.

And so it goes on.

But you can fool some of the people most of the time, but you can't fool all the the people, all of the time.

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#8 Posted : 23 December 2012 09:27:22(UTC)
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People have not only worked out that climate change is a scam, they are increasingly aware that the BBC is one too.
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#9 Posted : 23 December 2012 10:32:31(UTC)
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The “No blame culture” is rather selective, as we have the concept of Corporate Manslaughter that can be used against directors of private companies. We also see gas fitters charged if their work leads to someone’s death. No doubt an electrician who did not adhere to the latest regulations and as a result someone was harmed would end up on criminal charges.
I can’t understand why if a gas fitter’s or scaffolder’s negligence leads to someone’s death they can be charged with manslaughter but if a social worker’s negligence leads to a child’s death, such as in the case of Baby Peter or Victoria Climbie they never are. And they are ‘Professionals’: or so we are told.
We also don’t seem to ever surcharge officials when their misconduct leads to the loss of public money. Is no one ever guilty of Wilful Misconduct? Has the District Auditor’s powers been removed in this area?
Why can’t local authorities be forced to sue officials for the costs of “Inquiries” when they are the result of misconduct?
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#10 Posted : 23 December 2012 12:50:29(UTC)
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The Peter Principle is a belief that, in an organization where promotion is based on achievement, success, and merit, that organization's members will eventually be promoted beyond their level of ability. Wikipedia

And my old job was an excellent example.

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#11 Posted : 23 December 2012 13:46:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pipesmoker Go to Quoted Post

The Peter Principle is a belief that, in an organization where promotion is based on achievement, success, and merit, that organization's members will eventually be promoted beyond their level of ability. Wikipedia

And my old job was an excellent example.




But even the Peter Principle does not allow for promotion to meet a quota, even if you failed in the last job.
The Inquiry into Victoria Climbie’s murder found social workers had “literacy and numeracy problems”—(the full report in on the Net) No one suggested looking at Haringey’s recruitment and promotion policies.

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#12 Posted : 23 December 2012 14:23:36(UTC)
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A case in point is on the front page of today’s Sunday Telegraph.”Hospital patient starved to death”.
The story details horrific neglect at the Alexandra Hospital, Reddiitch, Worcs.
Apologies, compensation to families, but no action against individuals.
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#13 Posted : 23 December 2012 14:28:17(UTC)
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Remember to be fit enough to go into hospital and be careful not to fall between the grate in social services - otherwise they forget you are in the system or worse.....................

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But even the Peter Principle does not allow for promotion to meet a quota, even if you failed in the last job.
The Inquiry into Victoria Climbie’s murder found social workers had “literacy and numeracy problems”—(the full report in on the Net) No one suggested looking at Haringey’s recruitment and promotion policies.


I am gonna conflate, because these cases highlight something disturbing and a shameful and deeply unacceptable face of public services. I would go further, some of these cases illuminate a deeper malaise, where adherence to political correctness and dogma's transcend the needs of the patient or 'client'...case. Plus, a darker side, in some cases there is a wickedness to the malfeasance at work here.

Why aren't our supposed 'caring' politicians bouncing up and down about this ignominious state of affairs? Always, always, pols demonstrate that they can 'do' something about a nebulous threat [AGW] but things they actually could immediately affect - they do not touch, oh yeah and gay marriage.

Climbie and Baby P, social services all of 'em - seemed as if they had a common sense bypass - doing the right thing and using ones' nous ignored or numpties incapable of individual sapient thought - this is why these types of tragedy happen.


And think on, the neglect, even deliberate cruelty in Staff's and Redditch Hospitals - people can turn the other cheek because the 'boxes have been ticked' and the QCC is satisfied.

FFS corporate manslaughter on an industrial scale.

Then, the social services kidnap children from capable and loving parents and allow them to be systematically groomed, led into child prostitution and gang banged by groups of Pakistani men - all given 'on the nod' by police and those same social services who are supposed to be protecting their charges.

Not fit for purpose NHS+ Social services, not fit for anything but looking after the care of young children, or the sick - that should be the last thing they're allowed to administer.

Enough of the cowards in Westminster................What about the Unions?

All we get from the unions is - cuts, cuts, cuts - why don't the unions stick up for the people [patients, clients] supposedly in their care?
Same thing again, public sector unions more concerned with political agitation, toeing the Cultural Marxist line, money grubbing and power = public sector Unions are part of the blumin' problem.
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#14 Posted : 23 December 2012 16:43:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark B Go to Quoted Post
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As an example the 10 o'clock news just now has been completely shameless on blaming the Christmas getaway problems regarding the weather on climate change. It, and the rest of the establishment, are making a leviathanic rod for their own backs..



This climate change crap is beginning to wear on the populace. More and more people I speak to are switching off and seeing it for what it is - 'a catch-all excuse' for everything in order to direct peoples attention away.

e.g The government fails to build water reservoirs to meet both current and futures demands. We get a dry winter and a warm spring, (not summer) and we get a hosepipe ban. Whose to blame ? Answer, simple, its that climate change malarkey.

And so it goes on.

But you can fool some of the people most of the time, but you can't fool all the the people, all of the time.


Ah, but they merely need to fool ENOUGH of the people enough of the time. And they handle that quite well, thank you! After all, they HAVE learned from what sells on the tube. Panem et circenses...
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#15 Posted : 23 December 2012 19:44:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post

Ah, but they merely need to fool ENOUGH of the people enough of the time. And they handle that quite well, thank you! After all, they HAVE learned from what sells on the tube. Panem et circenses...


But panem et circenses marked the end of the Roman Republic and a return to autocratic rule. You can't fool enough of the people enough of the time for long enough and you can't keep reality at bay indefinitely.

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#16 Posted : 24 December 2012 00:42:52(UTC)
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Hmmm...

blame...

I don't think that there's any dispute that even at this late stage in our entanglement in Afghanistan that the ghastly administrators in one small part (Stafford) of the NHS prematurely ended the lives of more British people than the the efforts of the Taliban over 10 years.

They did this in an orchestrated fashion and chose to try and conceal their actions (and still busy themselves to that end) and were assisted in that by politicians in government and NHS national "executives" in an ongoing damage limitation exercise.

It's not blame that's missing it's accountability in the true sense of the word. These people took decisions that they knew would result in poor clinical outcomes - and they didn't care because they felt invulnerable, protected as junior members of a privileged and corrupt mandarinate poncing about in leased BMWs having cozy weekend powerpoint show 'n tells in boutique country hotels etc.

The fiscal cliff edge is in sight.

Anecdotes from family members in Spain tell me that insulin and other critical medications are getting scarce in the south east coast towns (one diabetic Brit pensioner had to try half a dozen...) and pharmacy bills aren't being settled by the Spanish government. Soup kitchens have been operating for months. (Anybody actually in Spain care to elaborate?)

I only hope when the plebs(latin) cotton on they'll find a way of ensuring / imposing accountability.

There... a palatable replacement for rising up and slaughtering them?

"Is there any reason why we should not rise up and impose accountability?"

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#17 Posted : 24 December 2012 08:27:18(UTC)
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"Is there any reason why we should not rise up and impose accountability?"


It means we're gonna have to take power back
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I was reading an article, can't remember who it was but he or she was ruminating on the banks, saying that the banking lobby for 66 years banged on about the Glass/Steagal act, until it was repealed by that idiot Clinton and the rest is taxpayer mutualisation.

In the past MPs would take up a 'cross' - a campaign if you like..... and keep making noises until he or she was heard in the executive and changed things for the national good - we do not have this type of MP because responsibility has been passed over to the faceless Brussels nomenklatura - or so they make out - when responsibility is negated or Westminster washes its hands - where does that leave us?

Can the NHS be turned around? I don't know but I'd like to think so.

What I do know is that the politicians - with a coherent alliance could make an immediate difference by privatising the local health authorities and hospitals to make them compete with each other.

Politicians, could also castrate the unions and bin all the HSE and diversity, equality reg's. Put an end to the HRA and make it easier for Hospitals to sack bad cleaners, poor management and surly staff who would rather gather round their work station than patrol their wards, not forgetting showing the door to doctors who can't read and speak decent English.

It all adds up to accountability and the means of achieving this, lies in the hands of national bodies to change the ethos and rules at the top and allow real people [at the bottom] to make accountability the watchword.
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