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#1 Posted : 22 December 2012 12:24:41(UTC)
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The Environment Agency has issued four severe flood warnings - meaning life is at risk. It warns that widespread flooding of properties in the towns affected is "imminent". It has issued 108 general flood warnings and 318 flood alerts.

As reported by the Telegraph and others, the heavy rain is causing chaos on a number of rail routes and main roads across the UK and train operator First Great Western is advising passengers in the south west of England not to travel.

How different it was in April last when the self-same Environment Agency was warning that the drought then being experienced "could last beyond Christmas". The Rain over the spring and summer was "unlikely to improve the underlying drought situation".

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#2 Posted : 22 December 2012 12:49:15(UTC)
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You ask:
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"Why do we take any of these organisations seriously?"

You take those organizations seriously because your "Law Enforcement" follow the orders of their Masters and insist that you take them seriously. Or suffer the consequences. See what happens if you try to tell them to stuff it!
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#3 Posted : 22 December 2012 13:28:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
You ask:
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"Why do we take any of these organisations seriously?"

You take those organizations seriously because your "Law Enforcement" follow the orders of their Masters and insist that you take them seriously. Or suffer the consequences. See what happens if you try to tell them to stuff it!


There's something else going on, apart from the simple threat of force. People are inclined to take seriously and trust those in authority, even politicians, despite the evidence. If you can't trust people in authority at all and so everyone ignores them or evades them, you have total breakdown.

Authority is chancing it more and more with things like speed cameras, which people see as rackets and which erode the difference between the law abiding and criminals. It seems to me to be a big government thing. There's nothing which isn't the government's business. The government takes it upon itself to do more and more until it reaches the stage where it does nothing well, which leads to complete contempt and breakdown.
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#4 Posted : 22 December 2012 13:44:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: comet Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
You ask:
[quote]"Why do we take any of these organisations seriously?"


There's something else going on, apart from the simple threat of force. People are inclined to take seriously and trust those in authority, even politicians, despite the evidence. If you can't trust people in authority at all and so everyone ignores them or evades them, you have total breakdown.



I think there's something psychological about an authority presentation that people respond to. Such a thought struck me at the railway station the other week. Most of the announcements are either male or female and made "live".

There is however a security announcement that regularly crops up about looking for suspicious items. If he weren't long since dead I would have thought it was Patrick Allen in the same tone of voice he used for the Protect and Survive film in the dark days of the cold war.

"Pay attention, this is the state speaking" being the inference.
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#5 Posted : 22 December 2012 13:48:46(UTC)
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I feel sorry for those gardeners who took the Warmists’ advice to plant drought resisting plants so that they suited our changing climate.
I wonder how the cacti are doing.
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#6 Posted : 22 December 2012 14:39:48(UTC)
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The Environment Agency is a non governmental - government department, - they must be 'aving a larf, fact is though they are funded by the BRITISH taxpayer and work for and issue diktats direct from Brussels.

The whole rickety construction exists, built on central tenets which are utterly compromised, in that, being supposed 'guardians' of the Environment, they are then make efforts somehow to defend riverside land and property - incompatible - one or t'other but it cannot be both.

Thus, looking after the flora and fauna of riverine eco-systems is the end, telling folk that their houses are about to be flooded is the job and in combination with duplicitous peddling of the myth of global warming - ie making political points and capital out of others misery, so EA, so EU so appalling.

The EA, could be useful if it was about engineers and all genuinely concerned with defending people and property. Leave it to the emergency services to offer the warnings, the water companies look after the water purity side of things.

And then, free from political interference and common purpose; the EA could concentrate on advising and overseeing the construction of new bridges [old bridges cause blockages] alleviating confluence points and building overflow channels, regularly dredging and shoring up river banks and advising and building new storage capacity - especially in the south of England, landscape management up in catchments and plant more bloody trees up there - especially back in the upper catchment of the Derwent, Ure, Calder, Aire, Nidd, Wharfe.

But lets face it, the EA isn't there to help us, it only works for its masters and employees.

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#7 Posted : 22 December 2012 15:11:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: James102 Go to Quoted Post
I feel sorry for those gardeners who took the Warmists’ advice to plant drought resisting plants so that they suited our changing climate.
I wonder how the cacti are doing.

Why, swimmingly, of course!
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#8 Posted : 22 December 2012 22:21:01(UTC)
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The idea of creating "Government Agencies" as NDPBs can now be seen for what is was - a land grab by the bureaucrats. I think it's beyond dispute that the end result has been an expensive shambles and served nobody well but the power intoxicated, hubris suffused, self aggrandizing, grasping fools in the middle and upper reaches of management across the menagerie of organisations spawned by this policy.

Yet another woeful failure to deliver public benefit in civil service organisational restructuring and one that from the beginning was designed to negate accountability.

That the Environment Agency in particular is rotten can be seen from the "senior" salaries and job descriptions exposed on the data.gov.uk archive. Much potential indignation there for the easily aroused .... The duplication of function is epic.

The EA have a self image problem too - some there view themselves as "the environmental police" as evidenced by their new out of office workwear which is hi-viz plod style with chequerboarding - somewhere between paramedic and traffic cop.

What to do with it all?

I suspect that herding them all over the fiscal cliff is the only viable strategy.
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