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#1 Posted : 18 December 2012 23:03:16(UTC)
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It is time to upgrade our electricity system to 2.0, says Tim Yeo, speaking at an event at Bloomberg's HQ in London, with the loss-making Guardian trailing his speech as a complaint that the government's energy strategy is "short-sighted" and "costly".

Instead of "lumbering the UK economy with a centralised power system largely reliant on gas", Yeo wants, "super efficient solar cells, anaerobic digestion, wind power, new nuclear reactors, wave and tidal power and carbon capture and storage". These, he declares, are the technologies of the future. "Smart meters, new grid technology and increased interconnection across the continent will lead to a new 'energy internet'".

What we then see for our money is, "decentralising electricity generation, giving consumers much more control of their use of energy, and empowering people and businesses, both large and small, to produce and sell electricity back to the grid themselves".

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#2 Posted : 18 December 2012 23:28:36(UTC)
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If Tim Yeo -

dresses up his dream as "giving consumers much more control of their use of energy".


Can I call hime a liar?
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#3 Posted : 18 December 2012 23:33:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: In2minds Go to Quoted Post
If Tim Yeo -

dresses up his dream as "giving consumers much more control of their use of energy".


Can I call hime a liar?



You can tell a lie by act, default, or sufferance ... two out of three makes him a liar.

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#4 Posted : 19 December 2012 00:28:15(UTC)
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The Tories have a sinister trougher like Yeo batting for them and they've subscribed to a lunatic energy policy, which can't solve any of the problems they claim it will solve, and will just cause social and economic upheaval. They've gone further and allowed Huhne and Davey to be in charge of energy. They're fully behind an energy policy which is going to impoverish us as we pay through the nose, and set us up to be controlled by rationing something which shouldn't be rationed. Can this conceivably be thought of as conservative in outlook?

Now Ashcroft conducts a survey to suggest some tweaks to policy so they can con support away from UKIP without changing anything very much.

Marketing is great, but it has limits. If the product is so shite that no one with an atom of sense would want it as a gift, you're not going to get very far with a "10% extra free" gimmick, because it's just 10% more shite.


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#5 Posted : 19 December 2012 00:57:38(UTC)
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At least he's pretty low grade compared to Cheney , so it could have been worse

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#6 Posted : 19 December 2012 00:58:59(UTC)
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Tim Yeo, can call himself what he likes, however, my descriptor requires one vowel and three consonants.


Trougher extraordinaire, YEO - snout in the advocacy swill for many a year is saying ..........."the green agenda is the way forward" - oh really Yeo?

This is a monstering of 'consumer choice' and of the empowerment of all British energy consumers, it was predicted and we know where and who will be able to wield the real levers of electrical power.

The old Soviet bloc had problems with providing power, its systems ramshackle and decrepit - though they may have dreamt of controlling the Kolkhoz labour units [workforce] through limiting their power supply - now with the 'green agenda' finally the Western Soviet finally will get to pull the plug when they feel like it. Of course though, I'll be willing to bet the 'powers that be' wont have any supply problems.

The economic picture in Britain these days is difficult enough, the world economic situation is not at all healthy, going unilaterally 'green' whilst the rest of the world goes in the opposite direction and Germany the Queens of Green frantically constructing brown coal fired power stations [shom irony there shurly] - amounts to Britain committing voluntary financial suicide.

Life for individuals in Britain is hard with little light at the end of the tunnel, in fact we are just buggering on without any sort of proper and secure energy policy and as things turn ever darker up pops worm-tongue Timbo selling his snake oil eco-charms, it would make a saint swear.

Enough! People like Yeo who are a poison in our veins, indeed, they are as dangerous as the fundamentalist lunatics wishing us destruction and death.

Eco ding bats, the BBC, the political claque and duplicitous loons like Yeo pushing their braindead money making schemes which will succeed only in making causing the British landscape to be covered in useless bird mincers and even more useless [if it was possible] vast banks of photo voltaic arrays [at 50+ degrees north FFS].

End game: the bankrupting of the nation and a precipitous decline into a de-industrialisation and economic destruction - how is that a vision of future prosperity?

Ah: but we know it the EU's vision for BRITAIN.

Get lost Yeo and foxtrot off back to Brussels.

/diatribe

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#7 Posted : 19 December 2012 03:17:13(UTC)
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Time Yeo, Lord Debden (John Gummer) adn Dave's father in law all have financial interests in green energy businesses.

The former two are the two leading/senior members of the green energy policy cabinent of the Tories, that drives the green energy policy.

A quick check on Guido Fawkes of recent will give you all the links that you need.
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#8 Posted : 19 December 2012 07:41:34(UTC)
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Slightly off message but in the context of Orwell and 1984. I read the other day that one of the latest Samsung televisions, which uses a Linux base system gives root access, the implication being that when connected to the internet it could allow malware or spy software to be uploaded to it enabling the web cam on it to view what you are doing in the room where the television is installed.

Having run Linux for 20 years allowing root access to a device connected to the internet is somewhere I would not go.

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I know that if that elusive lottery win comes along and brings the big house with it, one of the first things to do is install my own generators!

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Carpe diem .....
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#10 Posted : 19 December 2012 09:05:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pipesmoker Go to Quoted Post
Slightly off message but in the context of Orwell and 1984. I read the other day that one of the latest Samsung televisions, which uses a Linux base system gives root access, the implication being that when connected to the internet it could allow malware or spy software to be uploaded to it enabling the web cam on it to view what you are doing in the room where the television is installed.

Having run Linux for 20 years allowing root access to a device connected to the internet is somewhere I would not go.



Sky TV installations have the box connected to the telephone system. Big Brother is already here.

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#11 Posted : 19 December 2012 09:14:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pipesmoker Go to Quoted Post
Slightly off message but in the context of Orwell and 1984. I read the other day that one of the latest Samsung televisions, which uses a Linux base system gives root access, the implication being that when connected to the internet it could allow malware or spy software to be uploaded to it enabling the web cam on it to view what you are doing in the room where the television is installed.

Having run Linux for 20 years allowing root access to a device connected to the internet is somewhere I would not go.


Don't like the sound of what else could be done remotly. Is there no way to prevent it from allowing root access?

Though the web cam problem is an easy low tech fix, a little bodge tape over that camera lens and its sorted.
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"Sky TV installations have the box connected to the telephone system. Big Brother is already here."


You can pull the plug without any untoward result. Mine hasn't been connected in years.
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#13 Posted : 19 December 2012 09:28:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mosquito Go to Quoted Post
"Sky TV installations have the box connected to the telephone system. Big Brother is already here."


You can pull the plug without any untoward result. Mine hasn't been connected in years.



Much against my better judgement, Mrs EUReferendum was desirous of a Sky machine. The telephone connection lasted about five seconds, after the installers had walked out of the door.

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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
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Life for individuals in Britain is hard with little light at the end of the tunnel, in fact we are just buggering on without any sort of proper and secure energy policy and as things turn ever darker up pops worm-tongue Timbo selling his snake oil eco-charms, it would make a saint swear.

Enough! People like Yeo who are a poison in our veins, indeed, they are as dangerous as the fundamentalist lunatics wishing us destruction and death.

Eco ding bats, the BBC, the political claque and duplicitous loons like Yeo pushing their braindead money making schemes which will succeed only in making causing the British landscape to be covered in useless bird mincers and even more useless [if it was possible] vast banks of photo voltaic arrays [at 50+ degrees north FFS].

End game: the bankrupting of the nation and a precipitous decline into a de-industrialisation and economic destruction - how is that a vision of future prosperity?

Ah: but we know it the EU's vision for BRITAIN.

Get lost Yeo and foxtrot off back to Brussels.

/diatribe


Re your analysis Ravenscar, a very interesting piece in Handelsblatt today, where the editor says "Greece has to take the responsibility for his debts, but the real depression comes from Brussels, Berlin and Paris....If I were from Greece I would sue my helpers for malicious injury. "

I believe the Greeks, once they have bankrupted Germany, are planning something more immediate and effective than calling a lawyer for those troughers - like Yeo - who have helped themselves whilst driving their countrymen into poverty and despair.

It's a good read.

http://www.handelsblatt....ite-all/5765434-all.html
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"Sky TV installations have the box connected to the telephone system. Big Brother is already here."

They insist on it for the first 12 months but mine was unplugged for years, now connected to enable other services. Sky can also access the Sky box from the satellite, eg to enable a remote request to record a program or change parameters. The Samsung telly is a more than that and sinister.

J A King fixes the web cam problem with a piece of tape, fine. To answer his root access question, I can only speak of the computer where user accounts are created, permissions and access limited which makes the linux kernel a whole lot securer than it's major competitor. Enabled cookies allow sites to spy on activity. Trying Tails Linux or TOR will verify this.




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Originally Posted by: aster Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
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Life for individuals in Britain is hard with little light at the end of the tunnel, in fact we are just buggering on without any sort of proper and secure energy policy and as things turn ever darker up pops worm-tongue Timbo selling his snake oil eco-charms, it would make a saint swear.

Enough! People like Yeo who are a poison in our veins, indeed, they are as dangerous as the fundamentalist lunatics wishing us destruction and death.

Eco ding bats, the BBC, the political claque and duplicitous loons like Yeo pushing their braindead money making schemes which will succeed only in making causing the British landscape to be covered in useless bird mincers and even more useless [if it was possible] vast banks of photo voltaic arrays [at 50+ degrees north FFS].

End game: the bankrupting of the nation and a precipitous decline into a de-industrialisation and economic destruction - how is that a vision of future prosperity?

Ah: but we know it the EU's vision for BRITAIN.

Get lost Yeo and foxtrot off back to Brussels.

/diatribe


Re your analysis Ravenscar, a very interesting piece in Handelsblatt today, where the editor says "Greece has to take the responsibility for his debts, but the real depression comes from Brussels, Berlin and Paris....If I were from Greece I would sue my helpers for malicious injury. "

I believe the Greeks, once they have bankrupted Germany, are planning something more immediate and effective than calling a lawyer for those troughers - like Yeo - who have helped themselves whilst driving their countrymen into poverty and despair.

It's a good read.

http://www.handelsblatt....ite-all/5765434-all.html



I am a little tired of "Greece the victim" narratives, when much the problem is a corrupt elite, massive tax evasion and primitive financial regulation. Growth is a fine thing, but not a great deal of use when the product is absorbed by the fraudulent elites, and the real economy is barely touched.

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Matt Ridley's piece today means Yeo's already out of date.

But lots of pompous politicians have a lot of ?intellectual? capital invested in this non-issue - never mind that their misconceived policies make us all poorer.

So probably this Scare will take longer to puncture than previous ones catalogued by Booker & North.

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Quote from Richard

"am a little tired of "Greece the victim" narratives, when much the problem is a corrupt elite, massive tax evasion and primitive financial regulation. Growth is a fine thing, but not a great deal of use when the product is absorbed by the fraudulent elites, and the real economy is barely touched."

Apologies for having bored you Richard. I agree with your analysis. My point is that without the EU the massive corruption could not have got underway, unrealistic expectations among the general population - which persist - would not have been raised, and resources would not have been madly misallocated into dead end vanity projects and construction jobs.

But that all happened, and we were invited to celebrate that madness.

Much more important, is that as a result a whole nation has been subjected once again to German political and financial aggression, the floodgates have been opened to third world immigration, and the Greeks are reduced to pauperism. Thanks to the EU.

May I respectfully suggest that if you are unable to add to the discussion raised by posters on your blog, that you refrain from saying how tired you are, and adding a dismissive remark.

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Originally Posted by: J A King Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: pipesmoker Go to Quoted Post
Slightly off message but in the context of Orwell and 1984. I read the other day that one of the latest Samsung televisions, which uses a Linux base system gives root access, the implication being that when connected to the internet it could allow malware or spy software to be uploaded to it enabling the web cam on it to view what you are doing in the room where the television is installed.

Having run Linux for 20 years allowing root access to a device connected to the internet is somewhere I would not go.


Don't like the sound of what else could be done remotly. Is there no way to prevent it from allowing root access?

Though the web cam problem is an easy low tech fix, a little bodge tape over that camera lens and its sorted.

And the microphone? Probably even more important.

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Originally Posted by: John Archer Go to Quoted Post
And the microphone? Probably even more important.



Hmmm. Cant think of a simple way to deactivate that without resorting to opening it and cutting or de-soldering wires. Was trying to avoid that as it would void the warrenty by opening and would prevent it from ever working (thus its harder if you wanted to sell it).

I guess only connect to the internet when you want to use one of the features, then disconnect when you are done. Though im guessing it could still record then upload what it has once you do connect.

Unless you connect via your home wireless network, then ensure you really go to town protecting/encrypting/firewalling that.
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