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We've had the confusion and now we're getting the explanation. On the eve of the final European Council of the year, this sixth so far, former Belgian prime minister and now MEP Guy Verhofstadt says in Strasbourg: "EU leaders might as well stay home". He adds: "The political reality is that we are all waiting for the German elections before taking the crucial steps to end the crisis". As so does Mr Cameron attend the "colleagues" for the next stage of the theatre. We shall watch with interest. View full article here
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Enlightening.You do get the feeling that they are a tad nervous about getting full approval from their electorate about consenting to being the financial backstop for all this.Getting such an agreement from hard working German taxpayers will not be easy.
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So, we have Merkel, a couple of posts below, “relaxing her timescales” for political changes. The timetable for Greek bailouts can’t be relaxed or they go bust. So the quid-pro-quo that the Germans were meant to be getting for their money is weakened. I’d infer from Verhofstadt’s remarks that the German people are going to be sold out. If the deal was one that Merkel could proudly present, to German applause, as a sound solution then she would do it before her elections not after. PS – you posted as I was typing, Vincent 
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Originally Posted by: ELF  So, we have Merkel, a couple of posts below, “relaxing her timescales” for political changes. The timetable for Greek bailouts can’t be relaxed or they go bust. So the quid-pro-quo that the Germans were meant to be getting for their money is weakened. I’d infer from Verhofstadt’s remarks that the German people are going to be sold out. If the deal was one that Merkel could proudly present, to German applause, as a sound solution then she would do it before her elections not after. PS – you posted as I was typing, Vincent Great minds...... It was always going to be this way,at the end of the EU rainbow there is no pot of gold just an harrumphed looking Burgher standing with his arms crossed and a very vexed look on his face.  Edited by user 14 December 2012 11:33:06(UTC)
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At least some continental European politicians behave as if their electorate are adults, unlike ours who have persisted in talking about the EU as if it was merely about trade for the last generation.
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Originally Posted by: vincent Enlightening.You do get the feeling that they are a tad nervous about getting full approval from their electorate about consenting to being the financial backstop for all this.Getting such an agreement from hard working German taxpayers will not be easy. That's odd. Over here they would be quite happy to start a war, collapse the country's infrastructure, make major changes to the social mix through immigration or hand over sovereignty completely to a foreign power without getting full approval from the electorate. In fact, the usual modus operandi in such circumstances is to CONCEAL what you are doing from the electorate as much as possible, and lie through your teeth about it if you are in danger of being found out. I wonder why German politicians seem to operate differently?
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Originally Posted by: Dodgy Geezer Originally Posted by: vincent Enlightening.You do get the feeling that they are a tad nervous about getting full approval from their electorate about consenting to being the financial backstop for all this.Getting such an agreement from hard working German taxpayers will not be easy. That's odd. Over here they would be quite happy to start a war, collapse the country's infrastructure, make major changes to the social mix through immigration or hand over sovereignty completely to a foreign power without getting full approval from the electorate. In fact, the usual modus operandi in such circumstances is to CONCEAL what you are doing from the electorate as much as possible, and lie through your teeth about it if you are in danger of being found out. I wonder why German politicians seem to operate differently? I d agree,but I suppose eventually the German government can conceal it no longer.It has all been glossed over until now.Now a huge financial crisis has hit everyone is looking round to see who will be the lender of last resort... they cannot hide it anymore...it's the German taxpayer. Edited by user 14 December 2012 13:56:14(UTC)
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