Originally Posted by: richard 
Get the framing wrong and the debate goes astray. And this is the path down which the Conservative Party is thundering, with yet another misplaced offering from a senior Tory politician.
This one comes from Damian Green, who is today headlined as about to say that Conservative hopes that Britain's EU membership can be reduced to participating in a common market are a "fantasy".
Green is thus challenging the "growing consensus" on the so-called "common market or out" position, which is said to be gaining support among Conservative MPs, including some ministers. Advocates argue that Britain should negotiate a radically simplified membership of the EU, or leave.
View full article here It's always been my contention when people demand a referendum, we would almost certainly lose. It is often quoted that "this is not the right time" The reality is this is exactly the right time, what the movers and shakers want is a referendum after it's re-empowered itself and to some extent re- ingratiated itself, we can't have a referendum now while the electorate are begining to realise what an abomination it really is.
I have always thought that the eu in concept was a good idea, if it had been conceived by people with honourable intentions, the reality is it's 90% too great in scope and 99% run by the wrong people. As for any reformation it's a non starter. The "only" people who could effect any change for the better have a vested or bribed interest not to.
The only way forward to my mind is to invoke article 50, maintain the "net" contribution for the two year period and onwards reducing the contribution by say 10% P.A. Whats not to like, we get our country back and they get us dissenters out of thier hair so they can carry on generating thier faux utopia.
The fudamental problem with the eu is creative interpretation, some member states ignore directives, some pay lip service to them but don't implement to the intention.
What we Brits are world class at is making and implementig regulations whereas others see an eu directive, give someone a job, get them an office, get them a playstation and tell them not to bother any one.
We take a diktat, create a whole department and empire around it and figure out the best way, with ebellishments and gold plating, to enforce, prosecute and generally fine people for not complying with it.
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