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#1 Posted : 11 December 2012 12:54:17(UTC)
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There is a limit to how much I personally can take on, but the war against the "official" thieves (aka bailiffs) nevertheless continues – evidenced by the above, a clamp diligently removed from a car this morning after it was fitted by bailiffs in pursuit of an unlawful claim.

The issue here is inflated charges which the bailiffs impose, either though phantom visits or by so-called "van fees" for levies that have not been carried out.

A favourite tactic by these thieves is now to clamp vehicles, then posting a threatening notice on the car, claiming that removal of the clamp is a breach of the Criminal Damage Act 1971. But, as this and this make clear, a vehicle owner has every right under Common Law to remove a clamp that has been unlawfully fitted.

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#2 Posted : 11 December 2012 13:54:07(UTC)
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It was always so, that, the authorities could cow the law abiding citizen.

That's OK, if the perception is - that the law is just.

A long time ago, much of the legitimacy of local council edicts ceased to be, most rate paying people know well that the majority of their rates goes towards the ever disproportionately generous salaries and corpulent pensions of even lowly Civic hall apparatchiks, the CEOs and Haute-managemant, their remunerations are completely indefensible.

High rates, bonkers business rates - shopping malls units are charged >£160,000 per shop unit and still have to pay extra refuse disposal charges - an equivalent store in Germany or the US is about £10,000.

Add this slight to the micro-managing of local councils, where they stick their ever expanding noses into nooks and crannies in which: they have no business. Then there are the squads of; diversity officers, recycling bods, global warming co-ordinators [whatever they do - is still a mystery to me], five-day-coordinators, salt inspectors [in the local chippies] - honestly, you name it - councils have a finger in it. Local government is the REAL pain in the arse but something the public have not fully cottoned onto yet....although that is changing.

Richard and others are at the vanguard of the fightback and that is what it needs - a public show of civil disobedience and united, it would work - they can't make us all pay.
And........I look longingly over to and at the loyalists in NI who are battling and firing the opening salvos [be it only by peaceful means] agin the PC brigade comes to Ulster - may the Orange-men win their battle v tyranny [and the EUPC nutters and that bi**h Hillary].

And there is another factor still in the background but one that is going to cause much ferment in future years - as the last tenuous cohesive bonds holding our society together finally disappear - as they are doing.



"As ye sow, so shall ye reap".

Dumbing down the kids, has had a unforeseen consequence. The venally misguided Unionised educationalists have imbued their charges with Marxist ideological principia [if that ain't an oxymoron I don't know what is]. Thus, inculcating their poisoned mind dogma. In doing so, they also sundered in the childrens minds the ethos of owning up and individual responsibility. In replacing it with a relativist notion of right and wrong, additionally they urged pupils not to listen, not to learn but to challenge authority always.

UK uncut, is a good example of the achievements of the above - illogical and violent an anti everything movement. A totally confused green socialist and rent seeking entitlement Kultur coming together to rail at the world - they have been wound up at school, by the bbc and their socialists Masters but they rant against everybody and that's called anarchy - in NI and with UK uncut - pity we couldn't channel this youthful aggression into a more logical and far worthier cause - referism.

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#3 Posted : 11 December 2012 14:19:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
It was always so, that, the authorities could cow the law abiding citizen.

That's OK, if the perception is - that the law is just.

A long time ago, much of the legitimacy of local council edicts ceased to be, most rate paying people know well that the majority of their rates goes towards the ever disproportionately generous salaries and corpulent pensions of even lowly Civic hall apparatchiks, the CEOs and Haute-managemant, their remunerations are completely indefensible.

High rates, bonkers business rates - shopping malls units are charged >£160,000 per shop unit and still have to pay extra refuse disposal charges - an equivalent store in Germany or the US is about £10,000.

Add this slight to the micro-managing of local councils, where they stick their ever expanding noses into nooks and crannies in which: they have no business. Then there are the squads of; diversity officers, recycling bods, global warming co-ordinators [whatever they do - is still a mystery to me], five-day-coordinators, salt inspectors [in the local chippies] - honestly, you name it - councils have a finger in it. Local government is the REAL pain in the arse but something the public have not fully cottoned onto yet....although that is changing.

Richard and others are at the vanguard of the fightback and that is what it needs - a public show of civil disobedience and united, it would work - they can't make us all pay.
And........I look longingly over to and at the loyalists in NI who are battling and firing the opening salvos [be it only by peaceful means] agin the PC brigade comes to Ulster - may the Orange-men win their battle v tyranny [and the EUPC nutters and that bi**h Hillary].

And there is another factor still in the background but one that is going to cause much ferment in future years - as the last tenuous cohesive bonds holding our society together finally disappear - as they are doing.



"As ye sow, so shall ye reap".

Dumbing down the kids, has had a unforeseen consequence. The venally misguided Unionised educationalists have imbued their charges with Marxist ideological principia [if that ain't an oxymoron I don't know what is]. Thus, inculcating their poisoned mind dogma. In doing so, they also sundered in the childrens minds the ethos of owning up and individual responsibility. In replacing it with a relativist notion of right and wrong, additionally they urged pupils not to listen, not to learn but to challenge authority always.

UK uncut, is a good example of the achievements of the above - illogical and violent an anti everything movement. A totally confused green socialist and rent seeking entitlement Kultur coming together to rail at the world - they have been wound up at school, by the bbc and their socialists Masters but they rant against everybody and that's called anarchy - in NI and with UK uncut - pity we couldn't channel this youthful aggression into a more logical and far worthier cause - referism.



Clamp removal, I suppose, is the ultimate expression of democracy ... i.e., people power.

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#4 Posted : 11 December 2012 17:44:19(UTC)
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My guess as to why councils give a damn for the law, is because they know they are entitled to live their current lifestyle, so any and all means are justified in collecting "their" money.

Their mindset is totally removed from the original. of being civil servants, they are our masters now and are fully entitled to the spoils.

Unfortunately only when we go broke as a nation will anything change and we will go broke. As the productive side of the economy cannot support the unproductive side now, but that divide will continue to grow, as so far there is not one politician out there ready to anything about it. .
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#5 Posted : 11 December 2012 18:20:39(UTC)
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When there is no Rule of Law, there IS NO Rule of Law. It works both ways. Some people will eventually be surprised to find that out.
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#6 Posted : 11 December 2012 20:22:55(UTC)
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Most of all though, this official indifference to the rule of law sends its own message. If the authorities feel it is acceptable routinely to break the law, then why should we as citizens feel in any way obliged to obey it?


This is, of course, exactly how leadership works. Developing it used to be a specialty of the public schools, though it was by no means limited to them. Unfortunately, it is not a cultural skill drummed into kids at school any longer - public or state...
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