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#1 Posted : 07 December 2012 13:27:22(UTC)
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Sue Reid, who spent several days in Rotherham during the by-election campaign, writes in the Mail today, on the "UKIP fostering scandal".

The piece was to have been published last Saturday, but the paper had a touch of the wobblies when it discovered that that the issue centred on the Roma community, potentially having an "anti-immigration" paper seen to be supporting a community widely regarded as the plague of Europe (some would say "dregs").

Getting round this problem by keeping the references to "Roma" well down the page, and relatively low-key, this allows Reid to take the side of the parents who had their children removed by Rotherham social services and placed in foster care.

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While there is stuff still emerging on this topic, I am sure that no one has gone deep enough.

The attitudes of the child snatchers have been formed by their training at the hands of people who have imbibed the Frankfurt School objectives (including to make Western society so rotten that it stinks) through the general Lefty-ness of every higher education institution in the land, and in particular via the Common Purpose training so widespread in the Public sector.

So there must be a deeper motive.

My suggestion is that the motive is to make the thinking indigenous population afraid to reproduce for fear of what these child snatchers of dubious parentage will do to their children. That way the country ends up with a reduced IQ, and a proportionate increase in the population of those who are experienced in submitting to "authority". What could the child snatchers see as a down side?

Given the (NuLabour & EU inspired) demographic changes of the last couple of decades, Britain is probably very near to the point beyond which recovery is not possible.

Then the unthinking majority of people living in the British Isles will give a warm welcome to those who try to impose a strong man (dictator) to sort out the consequent problems.

[I knew thinking was bad for me!]
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#3 Posted : 07 December 2012 14:50:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Sue Reid, who spent several days in Rotherham during the by-election campaign, writes in the Mail today, on the "UKIP fostering scandal".

The piece was to have been published last Saturday, but the paper had a touch of the wobblies when it discovered that that the issue centred on the Roma community, potentially having an "anti-immigration" paper seen to be supporting a community widely regarded as the plague of Europe (some would say "dregs").

Getting round this problem by keeping the references to "Roma" well down the page, and relatively low-key, this allows Reid to take the side of the parents who had their children removed by Rotherham social services and placed in foster care.

View full article here



It was only news to the Daily Mail, common knowledge in Rotherham, but UKIP either didn't bother to find out, or perhaps didn't want to know - so wide publicity for this milking the Roma like cash cows by the social work salaried cum foster parenting industry in Rotherham lot could bite them on the bum. Oh dear.

The loving foster parents also either hadn't bothered to find out where the siblings of the children they were caring for had disappeared to, or felt it was in their own best interests to suppress this information. The foster parents may be entirely marvellous caring individuals who out of the goodness of their hearts would willingly give a home to any child in need - but the fact is that they are paid, and out of taxation, so their jobs are subject to public scrutiny.

How do we compare sending children down the mines to having them removed into the "care" of the scrupulously socially acceptable (we had already bought them Christmas presents!)? What is the difference between providing "asylum" ( sorry, says Rotherham Council the mice infested dump we've housed you in was good enough for the indigenous disadvantaged, but you can't keep Roma kids in it - so we'll be taking your kids off you) and state sponsored importation of exploitable families - from which social workers and other Council jobsworths and the local unemployed profit?

Vote UKIP as they endlessly say on Telegraph blogs - well, maybe not.

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#4 Posted : 07 December 2012 14:50:36(UTC)
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These social service employees must have degrees in stupid !
Would it not be right to say that 90% of parents would regard there children as there most precious possession ? The odds are on them snatching a child that will bring the animal out of a parent, and then BOOM, you can get the recipe for big bangs on the net and the ingredients are available in your local hardware and chemist shops, a sound word of advice is to stay well away from places where idiots play at " do-gooding" the time has come when some distressed parent will be making make smoke signals !
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#5 Posted : 07 December 2012 15:09:43(UTC)
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If Hitler had invaded and conquered the UK, he'd have had no trouble getting recruits to work in the Concentration Camps.
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If Hitler had invaded and conquered the UK, he'd have had no trouble getting recruits to work in the Concentration Camps.



Looks to me like the concentration camps are up and running, but quite a bit pricier than the Third Reich Version - but, hey, Barrosso's Fourth Reich is no cheapskate operation. All of his fifth columnists are handsomely rewarded. Funnily enough, the reward bit is missing when you look at the Frankfurt School's shopping list for social destruction - I expect they wanted us to believe that it is all for our own good, and as Gideon (thanks for the paddock on expenses, guys) has reminded us this morning, many financial sacrifices are made by our great leaders.

God, I'm getting a bit Fed Up - look what you've made me say (But, thanks!) Time for a soothing bit of Dean Martin in Roma on You Tube - those were the days, eh?

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#7 Posted : 07 December 2012 15:30:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: aster Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Sue Reid, who spent several days in Rotherham during the by-election campaign, writes in the Mail today, on the "UKIP fostering scandal".

The piece was to have been published last Saturday, but the paper had a touch of the wobblies when it discovered that that the issue centred on the Roma community, potentially having an "anti-immigration" paper seen to be supporting a community widely regarded as the plague of Europe (some would say "dregs").

Getting round this problem by keeping the references to "Roma" well down the page, and relatively low-key, this allows Reid to take the side of the parents who had their children removed by Rotherham social services and placed in foster care.

View full article here



It was only news to the Daily Mail, common knowledge in Rotherham, but UKIP either didn't bother to find out, or perhaps didn't want to know - so wide publicity for this milking the Roma like cash cows by the social work salaried cum foster parenting industry in Rotherham lot could bite them on the bum. Oh dear.

The loving foster parents also either hadn't bothered to find out where the siblings of the children they were caring for had disappeared to, or felt it was in their own best interests to suppress this information. The foster parents may be entirely marvellous caring individuals who out of the goodness of their hearts would willingly give a home to any child in need - but the fact is that they are paid, and out of taxation, so their jobs are subject to public scrutiny.

How do we compare sending children down the mines to having them removed into the "care" of the scrupulously socially acceptable (we had already bought them Christmas presents!)? What is the difference between providing "asylum" ( sorry, says Rotherham Council the mice infested dump we've housed you in was good enough for the indigenous disadvantaged, but you can't keep Roma kids in it - so we'll be taking your kids off you) and state sponsored importation of exploitable families - from which social workers and other Council jobsworths and the local unemployed profit?

Vote UKIP as they endlessly say on Telegraph blogs - well, maybe not.


Back in Slovakia, accusations have been made to the effect that the social services are "trafficking" in children. There is some merit in this accusation - the "fostering" is handled by foster agencies which get an ongoing management fee for each child placed. These commercial firms are most often set up by (former) local authority social workers, providing very lucrative employment opportunities.

We also hear tell of foster parents offering kick-backs to social workers for placements, in what is a very profitable business. At £400 per week per child, foster parents with even just a modest property can make £100,000 a year for looking after five children. The temptation to make corrupt payments, therefore, is obvious.



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As we reported at the time of the by-election, Roma immigration was the real story in Rotherham, one which Farage and now the Mail is skirting round. A secondary by nevertheless important issue is the way the public sector is turning immigration into a job creation opportunity, and thirdly, we have the scandal of "kiddie snatching".


And lying behind all this is a social disease that makes it impossible to say what you think about numerous issues. I am sure that, in committees where the social services try to decide what they are doing and how best to allocate their resources, anyone who pointed out that a concentration of Roma people was causing a problem would be impolitely ejected and demoted....
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"Labour had parachuted in their candidate to prevent a takeover by the Mahroof Hussain faction, only the immigrant communities and those
who directly benefit from Labour largesse in the area are interested in party activisim. UKIP has been mealy mouthed about the real problems
being imposed on Rotherham by overwhelming numbers of immigrants - one woman told me that she regards the fostering of Roma children
as a new local industry, and the Roma themselves are worried about this. They talk about their children being sold - they are not far off the
mark if their children are the basis of large incomes for social workers and foster parents. " Quote from aster 5 days ago



"Back in Slovakia, accusations have been made to the effect that the social services are "trafficking" in children. There is some merit in this accusation"Quote from Richard.


The law of unintended consequences hits the spot Richard - Rotherham Council - impervious like every branch of central and local UK government to the pleas, demands and threats of Brits is being beaten at its own game by the most despised dregs of Europe - the Roma, who the UK national press reliably informs us are descended from the Indian untouchables. The EU will have sort this one out, I guess all European institutions will now have to be headed up by a member of the Roma community. My guess is that their very expensive barristers are working on this right now, fees courtesy of the UK taxpayer.

Plus ca change et pourquoi pas or something like that, but what fun, eh?

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#10 Posted : 07 December 2012 16:06:23(UTC)
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This is an enormous subject. I immediately spotted the reference to the habit of social workers being influenced by disapproval of lifestyle. This concept, action by public servants prompted by disapproval is now common, the police do it all the time. The lack of rigour and honesty is very worrying.


The other point is that fostering of all ethnic minority children has become a hugely profitable cottage industry, not just Roma. My own knowledge, I cannot say I have either done research or have inside information, is that my local authority has a wholly dysfunctional Social Services department.

It is divided up along ethnic lines and resembles a battle ground. As so much money is spent on 'vulnerable children' it goes without saying that the temptation to become corrupt and to 'defend' existing arrangements and budgets becomes too much for the system to cope with.

Also any suggestion to improvements of controls or changes in work practices are too difficult for managers to proceed with for fear of being called 'racist'.

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This illogicality would be grounds for a full comedy series, were the results not so heartbreaking. We could call it something like 'Multi-cultural Merry-go-round!'...

Simply reading the Mail (which is no guarantee of accuracy), it appears that:

  • In pursuit of multi-multiculturalism, Rotherham politicians welcomed an influx of Roma immigrants.

  • The Roma set up in Rotherham, and began following their culture.

  • This differed from the British culture in a number of respects - for instance, children were not expected to attend school regularly, and living accommodation was not kept clean to British norms.

  • So the Social Services enforced British culture on the families by abducting their children, who are being forcibly re-educated into British attitudes

  • However, when one foster family was suspected of having 'British attitudes', they were promptly banned as being 'unable to provide for Roma culture'.


I could go on for longer in this vein, but you get the idea....
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One really does not know where to start with this story.I would love to see what Rotherham Social Services defines as a "British" way of life,and here's me thinking they were trying to exterminate that sort of thing.

I would agree that children walking the streets at 2am or being subject to physical abuse is worrying.But why are these people here in the first place?We must be crazy for allowing this situation to develop.This issue is certainly a far greater worry than the removal of the foster children in the first place.

According to the Immigration minister

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If people from EU member countries, including Romania and Bulgaria, want to stay in the United Kingdom beyond three months once there are no transitional controls, they have to be exercising treaty rights and be here as workers, students, or as self employed or self-sufficient people. My hon. Friend mentioned the Government being robust about enforcing that. I will say a little bit more about that in a moment.


Having your children removed by Social Services must class as not being self sufficient.But have I no doubt the courts will never send parents back once their children are taken into care in this country......This is all insane.

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#13 Posted : 07 December 2012 16:42:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dodgy Geezer Go to Quoted Post

  • In pursuit of multi-multiculturalism, Rotherham politicians welcomed an influx of Roma immigrants.

  • The Roma set up in Rotherham, and began following their culture.

  • This differed from the British culture in a number of respects - for instance, children were not expected to attend school regularly, and living accommodation was not kept clean to British norms.

  • So the Social Services enforced British culture on the families by abducting their children, who are being forcibly re-educated into British attitudes

  • However, when one foster family was suspected of having 'British attitudes', they were promptly banned as being 'unable to provide for Roma culture'.

And Marxists love to go on about how capitalism has inherent contradictions!

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This illogicality would be grounds for a full comedy series, were the results not so heartbreaking. We could call it something like 'Multi-cultural Merry-go-round!'...

Simply reading the Mail (which is no guarantee of accuracy), it appears that:

  • In pursuit of multi-multiculturalism, Rotherham politicians welcomed an influx of Roma immigrants.

  • The Roma set up in Rotherham, and began following their culture.

  • This differed from the British culture in a number of respects - for instance, children were not expected to attend school regularly, and living accommodation was not kept clean to British norms.

  • So the Social Services enforced British culture on the families by abducting their children, who are being forcibly re-educated into British attitudes

  • However, when one foster family was suspected of having 'British attitudes', they were promptly banned as being 'unable to provide for Roma culture'.


I could go on for longer in this vein, but you get the idea....


It's like a lot of other things such as the Climate Change industry, which starts with objectives and becomes an industry, career path and power base. It's main purpose is perpetuating itself and contradictions follow.
What's the point of wind turbines if they don't reduce CO2 emissions? What's the point of reducing CO2 emissions in the UK by driving industry overseas, with no global reduction in emissions, probably an increase?
It allows the boxes to be ticked and the scams to continue.

Another example is organised religions, which generally have nothing to do with anything the founders were going on about, and treat people trying to revert to that as heretics.

So in this case, the main requirement is not child welfare, it's the child welfare industry, which has precious little to do with child welfare. The nonsenses are a necessary part of growing an industry based on providing something basically no one wants, at least not on the scale the industry has to provide it to sustain itself.

As for the contradictions of multi-culturalism, Multi-culturalism isn't the name of a policy, it's the name given to having mass-immigration and not having a policy to cope with it.


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As for the contradictions of multi-culturalism, Multi-culturalism isn't the name of a policy, it's the name given to having mass-immigration and not having a policy to cope with it.




The contradictions are, of course rife.

I understand that it is a cultural norm in many Pakisani villages for girl children over puberty to be kept under strict guard - kept in the house for long periods - to avoid undesired contact with other unsuitable males. If they disobey they may be beaten, sometimes in a severe and life-threatening way. (I make no judgement about the absolute morality of this custom, but it seems to be a cultural norm).

Unsurprisingly, moving this culture to a modern British setting results in the parents rapidly being jailed and the young girls (if they have survived) being released, usually, to some very unsuitable males. This provides the Mail with some salacious stories, but it hardly encourages me to think that multi-multiculturalism is a workable way of running a society...

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.....and social workers disapprove of their non-British lifestyle.


I had always thought that any non-British lifestyle was a plus where it came to the Public Services.



As Dr North says.... we have to rise up and slaughter them.

I just don't know when. Cursing
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Therefore, looking at the thrust of the story, as released by Farage, it is not untoward to say that he was pointing us in the wrong direction....


Umm..practical politics.

If Farage said one word about the problem being too many Roma, the entire press corps and all the political parties would rise and slaughter him. And Cameron would be nodding and saying "See, I told you they were racist..."

In many areas of government policy - not least in climate change - the activists have done their best to make opposition to their plans unmentionable. It is the first stage of the process that Orwell described as 'NewSpeak' - and quite successful it is, too. For instance, if you wanted to defend pedophilia, you would find that you were completely unable to communicate with anyone, even if you had a good point to make.

The EU, of course, have long tried to make opposition to their rule completely impossible to voice....
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The family courts operate in strict secrecy to protect the identities of the children involved. It means that evidence given by social workers and their hired medical experts cannot be publicly challenged.

Parents who talk publicly about what happens there — even to their MPs — have been sent to prison.



Here is where the problem starts. It would be easy to remove from any 'hearing transcript' all the information that might identify the children or parents. That is not what we are talking about here though is it? What we have here is a 'system' where 'Child Catchers' and their 'allies' can hide behind that same child protection in order to mask their own activities (and profits).

As we have all seen while examining the 'green economy' the same faces and companies crop up again and again. Turn over a rock and not just cockroaches, but the very same cockroaches exposed last time, scuttle out into the daylight. One suspects that, were suitably (child/parent information) redacted records available, we will see the same 'industry'. What is the betting that, were 'suitably redacted' information available on demand, we would find that everyone (same people) involved in the child catching industry has some 'interest' in the same. That is to suggest that if we had the names of the 'social workers', 'expert witnesses' and (even) the 'judges' in these cases - we could examine their 'impartiality' and find them 'wanting'. None of this (those involved) information would breach ant child identity laws. If the 'Judge' holds shares in a 'child snatching' company then we can probably guess what his decision will be.

What fully disclosed information (minus child details) would do of course is not expose 'children to harm' but expose all those in the 'chain' that have substantial 'interests' in the 'child snatching' industry. We shall see... I predict though that in the unlikely event that a full transcript of the child snatchers becomes available we will see everyone from 'the bench' through to the 'expert witnesses' exposed as having a 'share' in the Industry. And I further predict that the same names will appear in every case.



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I had always thought that any non-British lifestyle was a plus where it came to the Public Services.


It is in an abstract way connected with the Toynbee-esque view that 'the underprivileged' are there to be belly-ached over, have other people's money spent on them, be perpetuated as a problem, be compliant and provide a good living. I assume the self-loathing comes from the sheer hypocrisy, but as it's profitable, they can live with it.

Now imagine an underclass which is not compliant. They take with two hands, but you mess with them, say by taking their children away, and they don't bother contacting Booker; they kill and and take them back - it's part of their culture and it should be respected. It's not so much of a fun game anymore.

None of this has been thought through at all.





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Social workers are more like a cult than a proffession,decisions on adoption and fostering should be made by a lay panel of elected councillors.

When these scandals are finally exposed we will see how grateful we should be to Christopher Booker. He is the only journalist who has written about this problem.
I wonder if this is one of the cases he can’t give details about because of a court order.
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