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#1 Posted : 05 December 2012 23:05:21(UTC)
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I've always felt that the real issue with Greece and like economies is corruption, and have previously remarked on its importance, calling it a "killer of nations". No modern economy or democracy can function properly if it is fundamentally corrupt.

It is good to see, therefore, the German press take on board Transparency International's (TI) "corruption perceptions index" for 2011, finding that Greece ranks 94 globally, down from 80 the previous year), making it the most corrupt country in Europe – alongside Bulgaria, Romania and Italy.

But one cannot help but note the difference in tone, with the likes of Die Welt firmly pinning some of the blame on the EU, making available its funds and large projects without proper controls.

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#2 Posted : 06 December 2012 00:15:48(UTC)
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According to the TI index Britain rates at no. 17, wow! Yessiree, I mean.......... how many palms did we have to grease in TI to 'earn' such a high rating?


Back to Greece, how can this truly be a surprise it's only relatively recently that the Colonels were booted out. And come to think of it - historically, it's only yesterday since Greece was turfed out of the collapsing and ramshackle Ottoman tyranny.
Thinking on the EU, when Greece was welcomed into the fold, the colleagues and federal idealists saw the Greek entrance into the bosom of Brussels by the mother of democracy as some sort of political and propaganda coup. A drooling w***fest - for the 'grand projet' and Christendom, East meets West in the alliance of Charlemagne, a reunification of Orthodox-RC [what nostalgic clowns they all are] but believe me - that was the 'thinking'.

Greece will never change, until the people take real power back from the Colonels and moneyed elites of Athens shipping magnates - some chance, they may as well invoke the ghosts of Achilles and Theseus for help.
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've always felt that the real issue with Greece and like economies is corruption, and have previously remarked on its importance, calling it a "killer of nations". No modern economy or democracy can function properly if it is fundamentally corrupt.


That explains a lot of things that are wrong with Britain and the US, then....
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#4 Posted : 06 December 2012 00:29:01(UTC)
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For an entertaining insight into how corruption operates right through Greek society Petros Markaris is your man. His Athenian detective quickly scrapes away the thin veneer of civilization which remains in Greece; if you have any imagination at all, you can't help feeling that Britain is already a long way down the same path.


Markaris is an Armenian a long time Greek resident, and the translation is superb. If you want to know how millions in European Union development funds can disappear through a Chinese restaurant and a third division football team, follow Inspector Haritos.

Thanks Richard for another interesting post, I read once that the Welsh windbag couldn't make any progress in sorting out corruption in Brussels, because it is generally acknowledged there that the UK public purse is the most comprehensively plundered in Europe.

My own brief experience as an employee of HM Government showed me how local authorities connive with quangos in making millions disappear without trace,
I guess you will have a view yourself as to where we stand in reality in relation to our European neighbours.

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and if you have any imagination at all, you can't help feeling that if Britain is already a long way down the same path.


An echo to my thoughts aster.

Lets see here, you are a chief executive of a health trust, on your watch people, patients are dying of relatively curable diseases but for want of; basic hygiene and cleanliness and regular checks from staff paid to do exactly that, you are pulling £200k [+pension] + exes, the truth outs in print........Yet, you shift off to some other well paid sinecure and nobody says boo to a ghost.

Tim Yeo is paid £140K/annum, he also sits on the climate change committee.

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Patricia Hewitt moved from the Health Secretary and straight into:

Former Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt has landed lucrative jobs with Boots and a company that owns 25 private hospitals.

During her time in office Miss Hewitt was accused of "back-door" privatisation of primary care services by paving the way for NHS GPs and consultants to be available in branches of Boots.

Now she has been appointed "special consultant" to the company, one of the biggest chemist chains in the world.

She will fulfil the role for about three weeks of the year.

Miss Hewitt will also become the "special adviser" to Cinven, one of the world's biggest private equity companies, which last year paid £1.4billion for Bupa's UK hospitals.


link here.

Then, there are the thousands of backroom deals, gifts and presents for town planners and councillors up and down the country.

The country is up to its neck in ***te.


PS. I shall read some Markaris.

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#6 Posted : 06 December 2012 01:01:35(UTC)
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"Lets see here, you are a chief executive of a health trust, on your watch people, patients are dying of relatively curable diseases but for want of; basic hygiene and cleanliness and regular checks from staff paid to do exactly that, you are pulling £200k [+pension] + exes, the truth outs in print........Yet, you shift off to some other well paid sinecure and nobody says boo to a ghost.

Tim Yeo is paid £140K/annum, he also sits on the climate change committee." Quote from Ravenscar

Yes, it is very blatant - and they only find "employment" after leaving these govt sinecures if they still have some way of helping their new employers get a shovel into public money. They're not interested in doing the job, their time is spend looking for a better paid, more powerful position, which is achieved by helping out their cronies from where they currently are. This sometimes involves the transfer of large sums of money from one branch of central/local govt/quango to another.

I'd say what Richard's post makes clear is that corruption is so endemic and widespread, involving a great many people and vast sums of money that our institutions are becoming disfunctional and disabled.

Yeo and Hewitt are obvious, obnoxious and entrenched, but within all of these organisations that they so-called "manage", eg NHS, Universities, Colleges, Local Authorities and so on, massive corruption is also entrenched. Any attempt to interfere with the gangs - because that's what they are - within these organisations will definitely cost you your job, and could cost you your life.

I was suspended within hours of speaking to the auditors about the money missing in my dept; the auditor advised me to say no more about it, and my sister very sensibly pointed out that "if these people have been taking hundreds of thousands out of that place for years, they're not going to sit back and let you stop them.
You could find the brakes on your car stop working, for God sake see sense."
I did feel very threatened, and we're not talking about Mafioso, these people are "ordinary" Brits like you, and me, and um, Yeo and Hewitt.

Anyway, Ravenscar, I hope you can enjoy Markaris and corruption in Greece, as I do, safely tucked up in bed. All the best.

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#7 Posted : 06 December 2012 11:28:47(UTC)
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I was suspended within hours of speaking to the auditors



That's a sad indictment of the state of the state, unfortunately I am not too surprised, endemic is the word, staying, keeping Schtoom is the watchword in public administration and government. I would say, though I may be wrong, that peculation and corruption though it undoubtedly went on was fairly restricted in Britain before we joined the slave empire, now it is expected of even minor minions, graft and 'fragrant grease' is how our wheels now turn.


I very sincerely hope that presently, you are OK and have means, security and just as important - peace of mind aster.
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#8 Posted : 06 December 2012 11:50:41(UTC)
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Corruption - they do say Rolls Royce is in talks with the SFO.
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#9 Posted : 06 December 2012 13:42:02(UTC)
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"I very sincerely hope that presently, you are OK and have means, security and just as important - peace of mind aster." Quote from Ravenscar

Thank you for your good wishes Ravenscar. My brush with the rotten cash hemorraging education quango all happened just over 10 years ago, when I moved there from an investment bank (chief investment officer the brother of someone frequently named in these posts as a climate change liar and trougher) which was defrauding clients (local authorities, airports, pension funds) over the existence and performance of funds under management. The money had long gone, mostly removed by former directors as they transferred to more lucrative scams ahead of the FSA ( which was NOT in hot pursuit!)

I had hoped to work in a more productive and useful role - ha, ha. The quango and its local authority and educational institution clients was even more profoundly corrupt than the investment bank.

I was in my late forties at the time, and had been around a bit, but nothing prepared me for the stress that confronting blatant and obvious fraud on a huge scale would bring down on me. Both the investment bank and the quango have been quietly closed down, and their records "archived" (incinerated?) The staff of both are most likely employed in similar roles in other banks/quangos.

Fortunately I was delighted and distracted by the arrival of grandchildren at that time who needed me, and supported by my bad tempered and marvellous husband.
I've always been canny with my own cash, so yes, thank you for asking, I am fine and happy again, and very much appreciate your good wishes.

All the best.

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