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#1 Posted : 30 November 2012 01:12:14(UTC)
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Despite claims that the Rotherham by-election could have given it its first seat in Westminster, UKIP has again walked away empty-handed, albeit that the Labour majority is at a record low, with the Party coming a distant second, BNP third and Respect fourth. But was it a contest that the Party could or perhaps should have won?

Certainly, before the election, party supporters were claiming that candidate Jane Collins was "already expected to rock the boat before the child snatchers at Rotherham social services took three children off their foster parents because they were UKIP members".

One is not sure from the context whether it was the foster parents or the children who were UKIP members, although, even if we didn't know otherwise, we might have guessed it was the parents. But what has not yet emerged publicly is that the children were Slovakian Roma, their natural parents recent immigrants to this country.

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#2 Posted : 30 November 2012 07:51:05(UTC)
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I wanted a UKIP win for so many reasons, there is I think though, a very wide disconnect which pervades Nige's clique at the top of the party - even if they see an own goal by the time they've discussed how they're going to kick the ball into the net the opportunity has been missed.
Rank amateurs but stalwarts made of British oak and most of UKIP supporters I can vehemently identify with their feelings and sentiments but the party needs shaking up, Rotherham was a bad miss. Braying about 20% this or that is missing the point.


Dave is being squeezed, the pathetic turnouts are telling a tale and the protest vote is large but the yellow filth is being wiped off the political map - trouble is while old Labour voters are leaving they have been replaced by immigrant votes and defecting yellow people.

There are a couple of points though, for Labour party voters to imbibe, then digest and reconsider why they place an X by a Socialist candidate:


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These have come together "to develop a coordinated response to managing the impact of new Roma migration to Rotherham". Council services "are developing innovative responses to community needs, working with police, health services, children's services, community organisations, housing landlords, Jobcentre Plus and Rotherham United Football Club". Everything has been done, it seems, to make these problem-migrants welcome, and even to encourage more of them to come.

For instance, advice is offered on non criminal law such as "employment, benefits entitlement including working tax credits, child tax credits, debt, immigration and asylum, and housing". Helping out is the Rotherham Ethnic Minority Alliance (REMA), which welcomes migrants to Rotherham and "looks forward" to "supporting" them so that they can "enjoy living and working" in the city.


Inference being, "Labour says we don't like white indigenous people - come over to Britain all and sundry and we will make you feel special, only fing is you'll have to become a benefit scrounger - but we'll help you with that stuff and just think = Free hospitals, schools and housing!"

If that doesn't make a Rotherham Yorkie think twice - what will? They need to get it through their thick skulls - that Labour is the political party of the London cognoscenti - in fact the metropolitan elite of Milibands' Marxists - loathe the northern working classes - that's why they work so hard on and to win over their new 'clients'.

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#3 Posted : 30 November 2012 08:09:23(UTC)
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I have been saying for 7 odd years that UKIP under the leadership of Nigel is going nowhere.

Sadly despite the current membership having halved, from a high in around 2005 of close to 30,000, the bulk of those that remain know little about NIgel save that he looks and sounds good on the telly!

Nigel has no tactics, strategy or overall plan save to stand in as many seats as possible during elections with the best ones always going to himself.

The extent of his failure can be summarized by the fact he came 3rd in his attempt to win Bercow's seat in Buckingham at the last General Election.

I was in UKIP for 13 long years and suffice to say I know it is riddled with incompetence and corruption as Nigel uses the party, run more as a cult, for his own career and financial advancement.

Personally I believe EUKIP, as I and others now call it, has gone well past its 'best before date' and is nothing more than a colourful side show on the fringes of the political scene in ths country.

Well lead UKIP could have been a tremendous force for good but it has not one concrete achievement to its name in the battle to get the UK out the EU.

Finally as I have often said Nigel is a reasonable monkey but no organ grinder!

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Places like Rotherham will always be Labour dominated. One thing I don't understand is, why haven't the "foster children" been sent back to their own country? Such an emphasis was paid to the fact that they needed to be aware of their culture and roots, wouldn't the best place for them be Romania? They much have relatives there who are much better suited to the job. I'm slightly confused that there are so many Roma in the UK. They are here under special rules which should assume they either have a job or are self sufficient. The ECHR has recently rejected a claim that Romanians can claim asylum, as the country is effectively in the EU. Most of them are therefore in the UK illegally and we, the taxpayers are supporting them.
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#5 Posted : 30 November 2012 08:36:39(UTC)
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Personally I believe EUKIP, as I and others now call it, has gone well past its 'best before date' and is nothing more than a colourful side show on the fringes of the political scene in ths country.


Niall, I've felt that same way for a couple of years now, is UKIP just a place to park the EU protest vote [useful of both Miliband and Camoron and the Brussels colleagues] while the proper parties of Socialism (liblabCon), the greens and common purpose/agenda 21 - get on with their real job of trashing Britain, softening us up for the main horrors - the future as a province of the slave Empire............which is coming.
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
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Personally I believe EUKIP, as I and others now call it, has gone well past its 'best before date' and is nothing more than a colourful side show on the fringes of the political scene in ths country.


Niall, I've felt that same way for a couple of years now, is UKIP just a place to park the EU protest vote [useful of both Miliband and Camoron and the Brussels colleagues] while the proper parties of Socialism (liblabCon), the greens and common purpose/agenda 21 - get on with their real job of trashing Britain, softening us up for the main horrors - the future as a province of the slave Empire............which is coming.


Yes!

EUKIP is part of the problem and offers NO part of the solution.

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An MP in Rotheram is elected on 15.6% of an electoral roll. Whoopee F****** Doo the privileged 'few' scream in delight....we have another parachuted in party apparatchik esconed in a 'safe' toe the line seat in the house of 'do as you are told'.


Equally dismal turnouts and lack of legitimacy in other areas: http://raedwald.blogspot...ly-destroyed-in-by.html



So called 'Representative' democracy is a floating corpse bloated with corpulence and we are shackled to it and slowly drowning in the mire; If ever there was evidence of a pressing urgent need to motor on with The Harrogate Agenda and get out there and spread the message that there is an alternative, "Another Way" then no more is needed than the total abject rejection of the status quo by the majority of the electorate as demonstrated these last few days.
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#8 Posted : 30 November 2012 10:24:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AndyBaxter Go to Quoted Post
An MP in Rotheram is elected on 15.6% of an electoral roll. Whoopee F****** Doo the privileged 'few' scream in delight....we have another parachuted in party apparatchik esconed in a 'safe' toe the line seat in the house of 'do as you are told'.


Equally dismal turnouts and lack of legitimacy in other areas: http://raedwald.blogspot...ly-destroyed-in-by.html



So called 'Representative' democracy is a floating corpse bloated with corpulence and we are shackled to it and slowly drowning in the mire; If ever there was evidence of a pressing urgent need to motor on with The Harrogate Agenda and get out there and spread the message that there is an alternative, "Another Way" then no more is needed than the total abject rejection of the status quo by the majority of the electorate as demonstrated these last few days.



That is the elephant in the room. Elections are becoming a minority sport. Most people are not taking part in them and the winning candidate is a minority of a minority. Representative democracy is dead on its feet.

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#9 Posted : 30 November 2012 10:31:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: AndyBaxter Go to Quoted Post
An MP in Rotheram is elected on 15.6% of an electoral roll. Whoopee F****** Doo the privileged 'few' scream in delight....we have another parachuted in party apparatchik esconed in a 'safe' toe the line seat in the house of 'do as you are told'.


Equally dismal turnouts and lack of legitimacy in other areas: http://raedwald.blogspot...ly-destroyed-in-by.html



So called 'Representative' democracy is a floating corpse bloated with corpulence and we are shackled to it and slowly drowning in the mire; If ever there was evidence of a pressing urgent need to motor on with The Harrogate Agenda and get out there and spread the message that there is an alternative, "Another Way" then no more is needed than the total abject rejection of the status quo by the majority of the electorate as demonstrated these last few days.



That is the elephant in the room. Elections are becoming a minority sport. Most people are not taking part in them and the winning candidate is a minority of a minority. Representative democracy is dead on its feet.



This can only help our Harrogate Agenda grow once we have our foundations in place over the coming months.



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#10 Posted : 30 November 2012 10:37:59(UTC)
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I went to bed thinking if ukip gets 10%+ fine .part of my thoughts being crystalised by RN views a couple of days ago and my business knowlege of yesteryear . The S Yorks coalfield, think Scargill, would pull together and no one would stand a chance.
But this am wow 20%+ plus and the other two results are worthy of our congrats. This is a moment in time which takes us a little nearer to our decision whether to take the M50 or M72 or some other by route!.
Some are missing the point it for is the end of the Dimlibs and their leader CLegg who hasnt got a snowballs chance in hell of winning next door in the nuclear free zone of Sheffield .
please read Hannans article in the T,gragh ,a good one ,which I dont always say about him
The final point is that I can say without fear of contradiction is that there is alot of MPs soiled underwear in the tory Party this am .Smell it from here
These are points we should take to heart and whether they are long term or temporary is partly up to us

think on
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#11 Posted : 30 November 2012 11:04:22(UTC)
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The Labour candidate in Rotherham received nearly half her votes by post apparently.
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#12 Posted : 30 November 2012 11:32:35(UTC)
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The Labour candidate in Rotherham received nearly half her votes by post apparently.


Did she fill them all in by herself?

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The Labour candidate in Rotherham received nearly half her votes by post apparently.


Did she fill them all in by herself?



Don't be silly. They get the forms printed with the crosses in the right place.

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I'm intrigued by this expression "deprived area". Is it the area that's deprived or the people who live there? Is the deprivation thrust upon them or do they bring it with them? The latter, seemingly, in the case of the Rotheram Roma.
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Well knock me down wiv a fevah, the postal vote comes in again!


Democracy in motion and what a joy to know - it was Labour wot dun it!


My heart sings.Cursing
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Well knock me down wiv a fevah, the postal vote comes in again!


Democracy in motion and what a joy to know - it was Labour wot dun it!


My heart sings.Cursing


Is anyone really surprised Labour has triumped.

Labour can celebrate all they like but they'll come a time, in the not too distant future, when no white or English candidates will be in a position to stand, that includes the shite who welcome all and sundry here at our expense.

Up until now Cameron has done nothing of note, one thing he could do before he's airbrushed from politics, if he had the balls, is do away with postal votes.

Then again I think of him as more of a ladyboy than a man.

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#17 Posted : 30 November 2012 17:28:36(UTC)
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Well knock me down wiv a fevah, the postal vote comes in again!


Democracy in motion and what a joy to know - it was Labour wot dun it!


My heart sings.Cursing


Then again I think of him as more of a ladyboy than a man.


Personally I think that's harsh - a ladyboy has more balls

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#18 Posted : 30 November 2012 17:49:50(UTC)
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Personally I think that's harsh - a ladyboy has more balls


She's more of a man than Cam will ever be - are we talking about Harriet or Joyce?
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I knew none of this background stuff. It might be because I don't buy any newspapers, but probably it is not reported by them.

Your analysis looks sound, but I think it is difficult to deny that UKIP are beginning to be perceived an important player. It may be an illusion, and as you point out they have no strategy for moving to the next stage.

It is going to scare the Conservatives who cannot afford to be seen to be weak in the EU, but that will not be the same as scaring them into being honest about how we should deal with the EU. So I am forced to agree with you that in essence nothing not much has been changed by this result.
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I don't think that UKIP could have exploited the multikulti angle if they'd wanted to.

That would just have led to pointing fingers & see what we mean?
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