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"It can no longer be ignored by those who purport to be in charge of this country that something is deeply rotten at the core of Britain's social services", writes Sun columnist Jane Moore. This is her lead-in to a commentary on the case of the three Eastern European children removed from a loving home because their foster parents were members of UKIP, but she should not only be addressing "those who purport to be in charge of this country". Moore writes for a paper purported to have a senior member of staff whose wife has close connections with social work, a paper which, hitherto has been "quite resistant" to running stories hostile to social workers. View full article here
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Forgive me, Richard, if I also add to your post that this question is one, among others, that Cameron has refused - in writing - to correspond with me any further.
For a Member of Parliament to inform a constituent that he, the MP, will no longer entertain any question on a particular matter - where is that 'magic' word, democracy?
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Originally Posted by: David Phipps  Forgive me, Richard, if I also add to your post that this question is one, among others, that Cameron has refused - in writing - to correspond with me any further.
For a Member of Parliament to inform a constituent that he, the MP, will no longer entertain any question on a particular matter - where is that 'magic' word, democracy? Yeah ... the real baddies here are the MPs ... they have the power to deal with it, and have walked away.
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I would posit that it might be beneficial for those who might potentially purchase products, from the Sun, and who approve of this start in the discussion, to write Letters to the Editor. While not all would be published, that is at least one credible way to try encouraging a newspaper's editors to spend further capital on the topic. Sunlight DOES tend to be one of the best disinfectants. Even in your sunny isles... Edited by user 29 November 2012 23:15:13(UTC)
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I am no expert in this minefield, family law it seems to me operates out of all proper and right thinking jurisdiction.
The power of certain bodies to enact egregious diktat and to extricate children on the merest of pretexts also seems to me to resemble something I could read about in an Solzhenitsyn [or Dickens] novel. Which takes me into a world of cruel barbarity and barbarity for the sake of itself - how inhuman do we become when we behave with such oblivious callousness.
The most worrying aspect is that, there is no redress, nor means of questioning, even of stopping this relentless machine - our social services and the family courts act in an imperious manner and seemingly insensitive to the transparency of due process in common law practiced in this country.
Why do our MPs totally ignore this travesty? Is there no one to take on the might of the vested interest and tight knit claque of social services and council talibans? Why are they allowed carte blanche?
Something needs doing, the whole ramshackle process is corrupt, out of control, infested and run by vastly overpaid council granite-hearted Harpies and you know who I mean.
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It's a classic todayism, like politics and the eu, those who could effect a change have a vested interest not to.
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar  I am no expert in this minefield, family law it seems to me operates out of all proper and right thinking jurisdiction.
The power of certain bodies to enact egregious diktat and to extricate children on the merest of pretexts also seems to me to resemble something I could read about in an Solzhenitsyn [or Dickens] novel. Which takes me into a world of cruel barbarity and barbarity for the sake of itself - how inhuman do we become when we behave with such oblivious callousness.
The most worrying aspect is that, there is no redress, nor means of questioning, even of stopping this relentless machine - our social services and the family courts act in an imperious manner and seemingly insensitive to the transparency of due process in common law practiced in this country.
Why do our MPs totally ignore this travesty? Is there no one to take on the might of the vested interest and tight knit claque of social services and council talibans? Why are they allowed carte blanche?
Something needs doing, the whole ramshackle process is corrupt, out of control, infested and run by vastly overpaid council granite-hearted Harpies and you know who I mean. . . . not forgetting, of course, the role of the police
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That they'll happily piss away millions to worry about whether Hugh Grant has changed his cell phone pass word, yet not lift a finger on this monstrosity, says it all.
Booker and people like yourself are up against pure evil, but the Good Lord will help.
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I take your point Dr. N, but don't forget of course, that should a social worker / Police officer / Doctor forget, miss, genuinely get wrong or make a bad call when it comes to abuse / care proceedings, then the self-same press will demand without any thought the heads of the social worker / Police officer / Doctor without even missing a beat.............so who can blame any social worker for making decisions that we might not agree with, when if they don't make a decision, the Press will give them a right kicking anyway.
It must be fantastic for the likes of Booker and Co. to have never made a wrong decision. If he is so confident in his abilities why doesn't he stand for election or even better talk to CAFCASS or even volunteer to spend some 'time on the ground reporting' to see if they can use his fantastic powers of hindsight.......
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Originally Posted by: gunnerbear  I take your point Dr. N, but don't forget of course, that should a social worker / Police officer / Doctor forget, miss, genuinely get wrong or make a bad call when it comes to abuse / care proceedings, then the self-same press will demand without any thought the heads of the social worker / Police officer / Doctor without even missing a beat.............so who can blame any social worker for making decisions that we might not agree with, when if they don't make a decision, the Press will give them a right kicking anyway.
It must be fantastic for the likes of Booker and Co. to have never made a wrong decision. If he is so confident in his abilities why doesn't he stand for election or even better talk to CAFCASS or even volunteer to spend some 'time on the ground reporting' to see if they can use his fantastic powers of hindsight....... Have you considered that you might be missing the point? Public officials have to be accountable for their actions. Booker's campaign is about the secrecy of a system which does not allow proper scrutiny, and where there can be no accountability in what has become a multi-billion industry. And what has getting elected got to do with being a journalist? Are you saying that, in order for him to do his job, Booker should put himself up for election?
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Originally Posted by: gunnerbear  I take your point Dr. N, but don't forget of course, that should a social worker / Police officer / Doctor forget, miss, genuinely get wrong or make a bad call when it comes to abuse / care proceedings, then the self-same press will demand without any thought the heads of the social worker / Police officer / Doctor without even missing a beat.............so who can blame any social worker for making decisions that we might not agree with, when if they don't make a decision, the Press will give them a right kicking anyway.
It must be fantastic for the likes of Booker and Co. to have never made a wrong decision. If he is so confident in his abilities why doesn't he stand for election or even better talk to CAFCASS or even volunteer to spend some 'time on the ground reporting' to see if they can use his fantastic powers of hindsight....... For your sake, I hope you're never on the wrong side of the family courts. They get facts wrong? May I please speak my Lord? No you may not! In other words, sod off, I've made my mind up! That's from personal experience so don't tell me that Booker's wrong.
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Originally Posted by: richard 
And what has getting elected got to do with being a journalist? Are you saying that, in order for him to do his job, Booker should put himself up for election?
Apologies Dr. N., I didn't make myself clear...........Booker shouts and rants about the decisions social workers make, as if they made them in some sort of vacuum. As I said before if Booker thinks the job is so 'clear cut' and decisions - apologies for the paraphrase - are easy and obvious....well clearly it's a job that any Fleet St. hack or hackette could do...at least in Bookers view. Have you or your cohorts never, ever got a story wrong - even in the fine detail? If you have, well then, perhaps you might consider whether you are 'fit to publish' - after all, why should it be different for you even if you have tried your best to be good and honest within the system you operate because clearly any wrong decision (according to the almighty views of Booker) would also put you beyond the pale.
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Originally Posted by: gunnerbear  Originally Posted by: richard 
And what has getting elected got to do with being a journalist? Are you saying that, in order for him to do his job, Booker should put himself up for election?
Apologies Dr. N., I didn't make myself clear...........Booker shouts and rants about the decisions social workers make, as if they made them in some sort of vacuum. As I said before if Booker thinks the job is so 'clear cut' and decisions - apologies for the paraphrase - are easy and obvious....well clearly it's a job that any Fleet St. hack or hackette could do...at least in Bookers view. Have you or your cohorts never, ever got a story wrong - even in the fine detail? If you have, well then, perhaps you might consider whether you are 'fit to publish' - after all, why should it be different for you even if you have tried your best to be good and honest within the system you operate because clearly any wrong decision (according to the almighty views of Booker) would also put you beyond the pale. Well, gunnerbear, their wrong decision should AT LEAST be subject to public scrutiny. And as far as I can tell, Booker's and Dr. N's complaints are that the "System" refuses to permit same.
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mmatis.
Often these abominations are held in chambers, it's totally private and you are prevented by law from discussing it. Not that that's ever stopped me.
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I note that gunnerbear didn't challenge me. What do you do in chambers gunnerbear when you can't challenge the evidence?
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Did you also know gunnerbear that the report from the FCWS, now CAFCASS is confidential?
That means that even your defence isn't allowed to see it!
Been there, done that.
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Originally Posted by: Dave Evans  Did you also know gunnerbear that the report from the FCWS, now CAFCASS is confidential?
That means that even your defence isn't allowed to see it!
Been there, done that. DE, Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I agree the system is wrong for a number of reasons (including the Catch-22 issue of the use of reports that the people involved aren't allowed to see) but I just felt that Booker was intent on 'giving a shoeing' to those at the coal-face when he really should be attacking the way that Parliament has framed the law and the statutory framework that has come into play. I agree that social workers do make the most awful decisions but the vast majority don't and they also don't have the perfect hindsight that journalists all appear to have. There is also an interesting article on ConHome about this topic. Again, apologies for the delay in getting back to you.
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Originally Posted by: gunnerbear  Originally Posted by: Dave Evans  Did you also know gunnerbear that the report from the FCWS, now CAFCASS is confidential?
That means that even your defence isn't allowed to see it!
Been there, done that. DE, Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I agree the system is wrong for a number of reasons (including the Catch-22 issue of the use of reports that the people involved aren't allowed to see) but I just felt that Booker was intent on 'giving a shoeing' to those at the coal-face when he really should be attacking the way that Parliament has framed the law and the statutory framework that has come into play. I agree that social workers do make the most awful decisions but the vast majority don't and they also don't have the perfect hindsight that journalists all appear to have. There is also an interesting article on ConHome about this topic. Again, apologies for the delay in getting back to you. I think you will find that Booker has been critical of both parliament and the minister. However, the officials make the system work, and they cannot be absolved of any blame. As to Booker "giving them a shoeing", it they are paid from public funds, that goes with the territory. "Heat" and "kitchen" come to mind.
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