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richard
#1 Posted : 29 November 2012 00:03:52(UTC)
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We may have the misfortune of having UKIP on our side, with its ill-considered promotion of the UDI option, but I guess that is now balanced, to a degree, by having Blair on the other side, and volubly so.

And to ensure that there is maximum support for our cause, the former prime minister is telling us that he feels euroscepticism is spreading "like a virus". Says the BBC, using the kind of jive talk you might have expected to hear when he was still a member of a pop group at university, he pronounced: "The Right have got it bad on this Europe thing".

Then we get the message from his sponsor: leaving the EU would be "hugely destructive of Britain's interests", he says, arguing that "our country faces a real and present danger in edging towards the exit".

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#2 Posted : 29 November 2012 00:13:36(UTC)
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What is there not to like?

Perhaps we don't get to hang the bastards?
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#3 Posted : 29 November 2012 00:53:15(UTC)
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The self styled the heir to Blair is likely to listen to his hero (and the Conservative party's hero for that matter), not spite him, especially when it is the fruit cakes he is (they are) stamping on.
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#4 Posted : 29 November 2012 04:46:10(UTC)
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Thanks. Great CPD: I'd forgotten quite how much I hated bliar but I'm back up to speed now.

It's important maintain one's skills in tip-top condition.
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#5 Posted : 29 November 2012 08:00:20(UTC)
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Excellent, this has incentivized me to get me anti-EU T-shirts printed...
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#6 Posted : 29 November 2012 08:29:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Julian Williams Go to Quoted Post
The self styled the heir to Blair is likely to listen to his hero (and the Conservative party's hero for that matter), not spite him, especially when it is the fruit cakes he is (they are) stamping on.


You beat me by 8 hours as I was going to remind Richard that Dave is of course the self confessed heir to Blair!

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#7 Posted : 29 November 2012 09:08:15(UTC)
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Cranmer is on form with his analysis too.........

http://archbishop-cranme...ing-people-are-ukip.html
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#8 Posted : 29 November 2012 09:27:37(UTC)
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Thats really the conservatives only hope.

Activate Art 50 now, dont even wait until lunch time, do it right now. Take the next 18 months to "regegotiate a better deal with 'Europe' as in join EFTA / EEA"

Then following this hold a referendum on "Should we accept the terms of EFTA or should be drop the single market all together?"

Referendum over.

By this time of course after the above has happened, UKIP can go no where, Labour have collapsed, the Lib Dems are even flatter than they are now and its time for the 2014 General election. - How convenient huh Dave?
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#9 Posted : 29 November 2012 09:56:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AndyBaxter Go to Quoted Post
Cranmer is on form with his analysis too.........

http://archbishop-cranme...ing-people-are-ukip.html







There is always room for being wrong ... but I reckon Rotherham is being over-hyped. We're talking about South Yorkshire here ... the land that time forgot. They're very clannish and, under pressure, tend to close ranks. My guess is that UKIP will not do half as well as they think they will.
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#10 Posted : 29 November 2012 10:16:25(UTC)
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Cranmer is on form with his analysis too.........

http://archbishop-cranme...ing-people-are-ukip.html







There is always room for being wrong ... but I reckon Rotherham is being over-hyped. We're talking about South Yorkshire here ... the land that time forgot. They're very clannish and, under pressure, tend to close ranks. My guess is that UKIP will not do half as well as they think they will.



I would agree with that, there is a tendency from some to analyse these things from a 'South East' perspective (particularly the media) with little understanding of Northern rotten boroughs. On the other hand there was Doncaster...

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#11 Posted : 29 November 2012 10:39:05(UTC)
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Voting for UKIP will let in Labour is the new mantra from the Tories. As they have shown themselves to be just as incompetent it really makes no difference. Only an idiot would try to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol when it is going to be slapped down by the EU. These people never learn and do not deserve our votes.
For what it’s worth I think Respect will do better than UKIP in the Rotherham election.
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#12 Posted : 29 November 2012 11:07:40(UTC)
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I noticed yesterday that Rudd had a letter in the Failygraph praising the EU and all it's works. But the strangest thing was that he claimed that over £1500 and more per year had been saved for households by our membership. I cannot imagine how he managed to arrive at that, most peculiar! Since joining all household costs have risen way above inflation, and due to the current policies they will continue to rise, and rise, and rise. I see no end in sight for this deliberate attack on standards of living in this century.....of course only the poor will notice, MPs will just claim more expenses.

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#13 Posted : 29 November 2012 11:18:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Robertm Go to Quoted Post
Voting for UKIP will let in Labour is the new mantra from the Tories. As they have shown themselves to be just as incompetent it really makes no difference. Only an idiot would try to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol when it is going to be slapped down by the EU. These people never learn and do not deserve our votes.
For what it’s worth I think Respect will do better than UKIP in the Rotherham election.



Respect have a very good track record for coming in under the radar. You could be right.
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#14 Posted : 29 November 2012 11:22:02(UTC)
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Blair?



Who?



Did his wife tell him to say that?



Matrix chambers, think of the share price darling and not to mention Tony's interests too.



Foxtrot Oscar to the virus known as family Blair.
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#15 Posted : 29 November 2012 11:53:42(UTC)
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Quote:

our country faces a real and present danger


That rings a bell.

We are about to be bombarded with Weapons of Mass Distraction.
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#16 Posted : 29 November 2012 12:39:31(UTC)
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He may consider those who do not wish to be part of the EU as a 'virus', but I consider him to be a cancer.
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#17 Posted : 29 November 2012 12:59:48(UTC)
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You know, thinking about it, Blair could be the Eurosceptic's secret weapon.
There must be a lot of people who have vowed never to be taken-in by him again.
"If he's for it, I'm agin it on principle" or something like that?

Edited by user 29 November 2012 13:01:41(UTC)  | Reason: got my <b>BOLD</b> wrong.
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#18 Posted : 29 November 2012 13:03:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: meltemian Go to Quoted Post
You know, thinking about it, Blair couldbe the Eurosceptic's secret weapon.
There must be a lot of people who have vowed never to be taken-in by him again.
"If he's for it, I'm agin it on principle" or something like that?


Yes indeed, it was the reason I wanted him to be President last time round...Blair on EU stage...John Hirst has the same effect, and ironically they both don't know it
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#19 Posted : 29 November 2012 13:49:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: meltemian Go to Quoted Post
You know, thinking about it, Blair could be the Eurosceptic's secret weapon.
There must be a lot of people who have vowed never to be taken-in by him again.
"If he's for it, I'm agin it on principle" or something like that?



Yeah! I'd sooner have him on their side than ours!
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#20 Posted : 29 November 2012 13:53:53(UTC)
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Cranmer is on form with his analysis too.........

http://archbishop-cranme...ing-people-are-ukip.html







There is always room for being wrong ... but I reckon Rotherham is being over-hyped. We're talking about South Yorkshire here ... the land that time forgot. They're very clannish and, under pressure, tend to close ranks. My guess is that UKIP will not do half as well as they think they will.



I would agree with that, there is a tendency from some to analyse these things from a 'South East' perspective (particularly the media) with little understanding of Northern rotten boroughs. On the other hand there was Doncaster...


one thing that I thnk is a certanty is an exceptionally low electoral turnout negating any meaningful mandate whoever wins!
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