Whenever there is some supposedly urgent need to take action over supposedly rapidly diminishing resources the action demanded always seems to require some form of additional inconvenience or annoyance for the householder, while the appalling waste that is typical in commerce, industry and local and central government is allowed to continue unfettered.

I would prefer to remutualise it ... it never was nationalised ... it was always, to my recollection, owned by local authorities. However, I would like to see the Harrogate Agenda applied first.

I tried telling DEFRA and the Water Council that six months ago.

I was told that it while it was true that it returns to liquid, that liquid was not drinkable, and that it was drinkable water that was short. So there!

I don't see it as a brainpower issue. We, unless you are strong minded or innately suspicious, have been brainwashed by successive governments that they know best and to some extent we have foolishly contracted out our common sense to them. At almost every occurence you hear those immortal words "what's the government going to do about it" that isn't sense or reality it's the product of decades of programming and indoctrination not for the common good but mainly for empowerment.

Terrorism, we have, say, a factor of 10 risk but the perceived risk is a factor, implied by government as 100+, it's not to protect but control.

AGW, we're all going to fry and die, Control and tax revenue potential. The latter being the principal reason for it's continuation.

Pedophillia, my brother's worked in mental health for thirty years or so and states actuals are as scarce as rocking horse doings but we've arrived at a state where you are more or less guilty till proved innocent, control and registration. Latterly illustrated by a friend,73, considering whether to scrape a young girl off the road, and comfort her, after falling off her bike for fear of possible connotations.

What these things and many, many more possible examples have done is created huge empires for ministers, mandarins and highly paid experts for dubious benefit, but once an empire is built the ends of the earth will be gone to to maintain them. Sorry for the rant.

"'I'm not interested in politics, mate; it's got nothing to do with me'."
There are two factions, broadly, here The ones who are content that the government, any government, is looking after thier best interest, not now xfactor is on, so it doesn't matter which one it is.
The other which have,sadly, realised that it doesn't matter who you vote for you get vested interest politicians.

The general concensus is we want everything put right......... but we don't want to change anything. The unpalatable reality if we don't change anything, the colour of the elected dictatorship won't do it, nothing is going to change
We all acknowledge that the nation is in deep ****, cuts will have to be made............ but not in my area. On we go.

Edited by user 26 November 2012 19:00:00(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

This might have something to do with it ...

http://farmingforum.co.u...s/showthread.php?t=77444

Now would be a good time to send an email to your MPs asking if the rain we are having is actually getting stored, or just running off so that we can have another drought next summer.

And if it's NOT being stored, is this because of the government's policy that we must all save water, and if there is lots of water we must get rid of it rapidly so that we can get back to having a shortage and start saving it again...?

South Staffs. water fit their meters for free and give you twelve months to decide if you want to be charged on the meter or not. If you move the meter stays and the next occupant does not have the option. We opted for the meter and save about £20 on a bill.

And therein lies the rub of the whole issue at heart be it energy, water or any other commodity that is essential for quality of life..........CONTROL.......

AND once TPTB have the almost universal control of these things and can ration, cut off, or reward by such control the general population becomes so much more malleable to the whim and will of the privileged 'few'...

Harrogate needs to accelerate and maintain momentum, not stagnate, it cannot be allowed to do so because our opponents are not stagnating they are building the infrastructure, the legislation and the resources for total control;

I rest my case M'Lud... http://witteringsfromwitney.com/behind-the-news/


just saying.......

Edited by user 27 November 2012 09:03:40(UTC)  | Reason: E&O

It's fairly easy to bribe people by 'saving money' - particularly when the commodity or charge does not have a market value, but only a notional value which can be fixed by the provider.

If I wanted to make Identity Cards attractive, for instance, I could easily charge taxpayers £10 admin charge every time they interacted with government - when paying their taxes, for instance. And then waive the charge for anyone with an ID card. Soon I would have lots of people saying that they had 'saved £100" by having a card.....

In this case the concern is that water is not actually a commodity, in the sense that there is a limited supply. It is better to think of the water as almost irrelevant, because it is infinitely renewable. What you are actually buying is infrastructure support. And like all such services, economies of scale predominate. If lots of water is used, the attendant infrastructure becomes virtually free. However, if less water is used, the fixed infrastructure costs start to become a larger part of the bill.

If very little water is used, water will start to become a very expensive item. So, in economic terms, cutting back on usage is a damaging and unstable action. As the price gets higher, even less will be used, forcing the price higher still.

As far as I can see, this is what the green activists want. But I don't think that customers do...

No question about it ... you are absolutely right ... the green mantra is "sustainability", loosely translated, as "cutting consumption". Apart from anything else, they argue that extraction damages the natural environment, so they are going big on abstraction licenses. Reducing the flow of rivers, to them, is a no-no.



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