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richard		#1 Posted : 24 November 2012 12:54:10(UTC)
Rank: Administration Groups: Registered, Administrators Joined: 16/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,043 Location: Bradford Thanks: 97 times Was thanked: 306 time(s) in 255 post(s)		For once, Rotherham Social Services have acted speedily and correctly in protecting vulnerable children from a very real threat (above), removing them from foster parents in the thrall of party leader Nigel Farage, a known fascist, sexual predator and drunkard (well, two out of three isn't bad). View full article here
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Ravenscar		#2 Posted : 24 November 2012 13:54:15(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 926 Location: The North Thanks: 113 times Was thanked: 138 time(s) in 92 post(s)		As I breathe, so do I inhabit Gomorrah - For it has now come to pass and entered into Britain. Thank you Tony Blair, thank you David Cameron perpetrators and nuturing and to the yellow filth of Clegg and red tu*ds of Miliband's claque and thank you to the Frankfurt School cultural Marxist ideologues who run the civic halls up and down this benighted nation: to you all goest the spoils of your nihilist scorched earth policies of evil - and to hell with you all.

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richard		#3 Posted : 24 November 2012 14:00:51(UTC)
Rank: Administration Groups: Registered, Administrators Joined: 16/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,043 Location: Bradford Thanks: 97 times Was thanked: 306 time(s) in 255 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Ravenscar As I breathe, so do I inhabit Gomorrah - For it has now come to pass and entered into Britain. Thank you Tony Blair, thank you David Cameron perpetrators and nuturing and to the yellow filth of Clegg and red tu*ds of Miliband's claque and thank you to the Frankfurt School cultural Marxist ideologues who run the civic halls up and down this benighted nation: to you all goest the spoils of your nihilist scorched earth policies of evil - and to hell with you all. Apart from that, what do you think?
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bill poster		#4 Posted : 24 November 2012 14:30:33(UTC)
Rank: Member Groups: Registered Joined: 27/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 21 Location: Oxford Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 5 time(s) in 4 post(s)		Richard - any room in the Harrogate Agenda for an enumeration of natural rights? My unimaginative suggestion: Life, liberty and estate. These specifically taken to imply: Press, speech, association, property, contract, occupation/profession. I'd settle for legal rights. Interested to know if there has been any discussion of this. I used to ignore "slippery slope" arguments, but Leveson, confiscatory taxation, and incidents like this are making me nervous. Not that I'm a member of UKIP, but it doesn't seem to me to be a long road from the bureaucratic consideration of membership of a particular party to consideration of non-membership of a particular party. And then we're done.


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richard		#5 Posted : 24 November 2012 14:46:26(UTC)
Rank: Administration Groups: Registered, Administrators Joined: 16/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,043 Location: Bradford Thanks: 97 times Was thanked: 306 time(s) in 255 post(s)		Originally Posted by: bill poster Richard - any room in the Harrogate Agenda for an enumeration of natural rights? My unimaginative suggestion: Life, liberty and estate. These specifically taken to imply: Press, speech, association, property, contract, occupation/profession. I'd settle for legal rights. Interested to know if there has been any discussion of this. I used to ignore "slippery slope" arguments, but Leveson, confiscatory taxation, and incidents like this are making me nervous. Not that I'm a member of UKIP, but it doesn't seem to me to be a long road from the bureaucratic consideration of membership of a particular party to consideration of non-membership of a particular party. And then we're done. You may be on to something there .... demand no. 6 states: "all legislation subject to consent: no legislation or treaty shall take effect without the direct consent of the majority of the people ...". I think we could add "decision", allowing official decisions to be challenged via local or national referendums ... a sort of popular judicial review, allowing the public to set aside decisions with which they disagree. Edited by user 24 November 2012 14:47:00(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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Niall Warry		#6 Posted : 24 November 2012 14:56:21(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 264 Location: Somerset Thanks: 5 times Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 24 post(s)		Originally Posted by: richard Originally Posted by: bill poster Richard - any room in the Harrogate Agenda for an enumeration of natural rights? My unimaginative suggestion: Life, liberty and estate. These specifically taken to imply: Press, speech, association, property, contract, occupation/profession. I'd settle for legal rights. Interested to know if there has been any discussion of this. I used to ignore "slippery slope" arguments, but Leveson, confiscatory taxation, and incidents like this are making me nervous. Not that I'm a member of UKIP, but it doesn't seem to me to be a long road from the bureaucratic consideration of membership of a particular party to consideration of non-membership of a particular party. And then we're done. You may be on to something there .... demand no. 6 states: "all legislation subject to consent: no legislation or treaty shall take effect without the direct consent of the majority of the people ...". I think we could add "decision", allowing official decisions to be challenged via local or national referendums ... a sort of popular judicial review, allowing the public to set aside decisions with which they disagree. Don't you mean Demand 4 But Demand 6 which calls for a constitutional convention to draw up a codified constitution would surely cover all the 'life, liberty, free speech, free association etc etc?


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In2minds		#7 Posted : 24 November 2012 15:03:15(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 197 Location: midlands Thanks: 5 times Was thanked: 8 time(s) in 8 post(s)		What's going to happen here? My guess is that the Rotherham people will say 'lessons will be learnt' and then we will all be told to 'move on'. The head of Social Services may even keep their job. Do remember how hard it was to get rid of Sharon Shoesmith.
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EU3x2		#8 Posted : 24 November 2012 16:05:19(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 73 Location: Yorkshire Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 8 time(s) in 4 post(s)		Interesting that "Social Services" feel confident enough these days to do this in the open. I have no doubt that this isn't the first time but previously it would have been decided in a private meeting and some other reason for the removal trotted out. Another point of interest (well, for me that is) is how exactly did they uncover the private affiliations of this couple? Did they 'confess' or was RIPA involved? That was quick ... http://bishophill.square...ght-at-all-josh-189.html Edited by user 24 November 2012 16:09:44(UTC) \| Reason: link added


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TheBoilingFrog		#9 Posted : 24 November 2012 16:10:15(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 379 Location: Didcot Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 24 post(s)		Originally Posted by: EU3x2 Interesting that "Social Services" feel confident enough these days to do this in the open. I have no doubt that this isn't the first time but previously it would have been decided in a private meeting and some other reason for the removal trotted out. Another point of interest (well, for me that is) is how exactly did they uncover the private affiliations of this couple? Did they 'confess' or was RIPA involved? It was an anonymous tip off
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euSSR Go Home		#10 Posted : 24 November 2012 16:26:43(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 166 Location: None Thanks: 32 times Was thanked: 12 time(s) in 12 post(s)		Very well put throughout, Dr. N. I especially like: Originally Posted by: richard Now that these three children from ethnic minorities have been safely moved into Council care, and the UKIP-tainted "carers" properly "stigmatised and slandered", we can be assured that the youngsters will be comprehensively abused by real professionals, instead of being left to the mercies of amateur racist bigots. View full article here Rotherham's right there in the heart and backbone of Britain; and that's where the Communists and Labour unions have done their best work. This case wonderfully illustrates the ideological disease instilled by both communism and the alien invasion. At base though, the place is also home to some of the kindest, most practical, and most sensible indigenous Britons... so more and more of them may come to recognise the reality of the betrayal. To that end, if we were sufficiently organised, we could use crises like this to use the tide against those who engineered them. Let the force of the flood carry them over the precipice, so to speak. Oh my. But there used to be some wonderful male voice choirs and other musical groups up there. Why can't we work with some of their members, to get the message out? True, it was their social services and hospitals who killed my aunts; but we won't be the only ones who know about the wedge of genocide, will we? ----- Edited by user 24 November 2012 16:30:55(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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EU3x2		#11 Posted : 24 November 2012 16:44:21(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 73 Location: Yorkshire Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 8 time(s) in 4 post(s)		Originally Posted by: TheBoilingFrog Originally Posted by: EU3x2 Interesting that "Social Services" feel confident enough these days to do this in the open. I have no doubt that this isn't the first time but previously it would have been decided in a private meeting and some other reason for the removal trotted out. Another point of interest (well, for me that is) is how exactly did they uncover the private affiliations of this couple? Did they 'confess' or was RIPA involved? It was an anonymous tip off Guess or factoid? Hope the former. An up-tick in 'curtain twitching' is generally a sign of bad things on the horizon.


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richard		#12 Posted : 24 November 2012 17:14:29(UTC)
Rank: Administration Groups: Registered, Administrators Joined: 16/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,043 Location: Bradford Thanks: 97 times Was thanked: 306 time(s) in 255 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Niall Warry Don't you mean Demand 4 Yes! Typo.
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TheBoilingFrog		#13 Posted : 24 November 2012 17:53:15(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 379 Location: Didcot Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 24 post(s)		Originally Posted by: EU3x2 Originally Posted by: TheBoilingFrog Originally Posted by: EU3x2 Interesting that "Social Services" feel confident enough these days to do this in the open. I have no doubt that this isn't the first time but previously it would have been decided in a private meeting and some other reason for the removal trotted out. Another point of interest (well, for me that is) is how exactly did they uncover the private affiliations of this couple? Did they 'confess' or was RIPA involved? It was an anonymous tip off Guess or factoid? Hope the former. An up-tick in 'curtain twitching' is generally a sign of bad things on the horizon. Reported by papers as an anonymous tip off...
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jaguar driver		#14 Posted : 24 November 2012 18:13:39(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 86 Location: Hampshire Thanks: 28 times Was thanked: 6 time(s) in 3 post(s)		RAENorth said:- Quote: What a shame it is that that nice Denis MacShane was not still MP, to take the credit for such a sterling example of official intervention. I saw him named as Denis Macshame the other day. Sort of suits him.


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William Gruff		#15 Posted : 24 November 2012 18:41:22(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 90 Location: Lytham St Annes Thanks: 7 times Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 11 post(s)		Originally Posted by: jaguar driver RAENorth said:- Quote: What a shame it is that that nice Denis MacShane was not still MP, to take the credit for such a sterling example of official intervention. I saw him named as Denis Macshame the other day. Sort of suits him ... Clearly a misnomer as he has no shame.


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In2minds		#16 Posted : 24 November 2012 19:34:49(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 197 Location: midlands Thanks: 5 times Was thanked: 8 time(s) in 8 post(s)		As Boiling Frog says it was an anonymous tip off. This makes me smile as checking the quality of sources is vital if you are not to make a fool of yourself. Also in the old East Germany one in four people acted as an informer, such fun! Eventually the weight of information coming to the Stasi meant that they had no time to check the quality of it. Hence the whole thing ground to a halt. Perhaps this is the sort of problem the new police commissioners will tackle? Only kidding! So I suggest we all snitch on each other to bring about a revolution. May I suggest we all report that there is a man in Bradford with a short wave radio set, but no permit to have one. He appears to be in contact with an undesirable element, he may even be their leader. He is up to no good, the public must be protected from him, people are afraid.
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malvoisin		#17 Posted : 24 November 2012 20:32:33(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: STOCKPORT Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)		Timing seems strange, there being a by- election in Rotheram shortly.


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Tipple		#18 Posted : 24 November 2012 20:32:42(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 24/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 1 Location: Bristol Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)		Well I'm sorry Richard, but you come across as a complete tosser with this thread. Just because you have personal issues with Nigel it doesn't mean that you have to be such a childish twat about the whole thing. I was very worried about you before you had that heart attack, suggested that you slow down somewhat & promptly got booted off the forum. I guess my inkling was correct all along? You did then suffer the aforesaid collapse, both physically & mentally to my mind. Grow up a little, if you wish to see your new found party not flounder around the way UkIP does so, stop being so petty! My one & only comment. I've pissed in your bucket & I'll walk away.

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Dodgy Geezer		#19 Posted : 24 November 2012 20:51:40(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 331 Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 40 time(s) in 26 post(s)		It may be of interest to note that the series "The Nazis: A Warning from History" (from the BBC before 2000, when it wasn't so bad) had a specific episode (No. 2, I think) which covered the practicalities of how the Gestapo worked. It appears that they had comparatively few staff, and didn't spend any time marching round the streets looking for Jews. Instead, they spent most of the time in the office, sorting through the massive numbers of anonymous denunciations which poured out from all the citizens. If anyone had a grudge against someone, or coveted their nice end-of-the-row house, all that was needed was an anonymous denunciation sent to the local Gestapo office, saying that 'so-and-so' had been heard voicing anti-Hitler sentiments. All the Gestapo had to do to meet their targets was to go round every Friday and pick up that week's crop of targets. The fact that they were usually totally innocent simply made them easy to arrest. Soon, the entire population were too scared of their neighbours to do anything and, though Hitlers policies were obviously endangering the German nation, no credible opposition to him ever surfaced. Operating off anonymous denunciations seems to be a very successful way to cow an entire nation effectively. Stalin also found the same policy to work effectively, and I am sure that Pol Pot gave it a go...


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Steve Brown		#20 Posted : 24 November 2012 21:05:53(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 31/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: West Sussex Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		This move by the Rotherham Social(ist) personnel raises echoes of "One Party State" somewhere deep in my memory.


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