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#1 Posted : 23 November 2012 20:12:53(UTC)
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The message is out world-wide, repeated by media sources ranging form the BBC to the New York Times that there is no deal on the budget at the European Council. But the negotiations haven't "collapsed", as the Failygraph would aver – they were never going any place this time round.

Interestingly, if the media had read the German press, or this blog, they would have known that was going to be the outcome, and saved themselves a great deal of time and money. Before the Council had even started, "Berlin" was hinting that an agreement wasn't going to reached. And what Berlin "hints" tends to happen.

Still, the "collapse" fantasy gives Mr Cameron the domestic hit that he needs, allowing him to come home with a face-saving formula that his bestist friends in the media are happy to support. All it needs are a few "happy quotes" like Brussels is "living in a parallel universe" and the dead trees have got their story.

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#2 Posted : 23 November 2012 20:30:45(UTC)
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This month David Cameron brought the smoke. At the next European Council meeting he has been asked to bring the mirrors.

It ain't over till the BBC has its man in place to direct The fat lady's aria.



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#3 Posted : 23 November 2012 21:53:55(UTC)
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Leaving to one side comments so far (as visable at the time of this response) it is of course obvious that implementation of the Harrogate Agenda would kill 'stone dead' these examples of puerile 'bubble' journalism - examples of which have appeared this evening in the Telegraph from the likes of Kirkup - with yet another 'puff-pieces' from Conservative Home.
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#4 Posted : 24 November 2012 00:26:39(UTC)
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Well sh&7, if the NYT says it, that we should remain steadfastly mired in the EU - that's it then, it's game over.

##LATEST##LATEST!!!

Democrat loonytunes IN PRINT strikes again!


Although, IMHO, they should stick to reporting on those interminable Yankee games, which no one else [excepting our dear cousins] understands nor cares to bother to learn. Mind you having said that, no one reads this rag, it is the colonial version of the Grauniad and yet it seems like the graun', to have a status totally disproportionate to its scant and biased communication.

On further consideration, this item could possibly be the initial effort of that cross dressing liberal and crackbrained dolt Mark Thompson. Surely, it has his dirty paw marks all over it, of slack intellect and weakly argued pap. In Mr. Thompson, who some regard as some sort of beacon and shining example of its alumni - the depleted and shoddy academic standards of Stoneyhurst College must have reached a nadir and is that not a reflection of the malaise of its principle teaching?
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#5 Posted : 24 November 2012 00:44:02(UTC)
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Ravenscar wrote:
On further consideration, this item could possibly be the initial effort of that cross dressing liberal and crackbrained dolt Mark Thompson.

Very good point. How quickly one forgets.
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#6 Posted : 24 November 2012 04:53:28(UTC)
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So just being a eurosceptic wasn't enough then, according to the NYT. Instead, we are now "euro-bashers"! I don't know if the dead-tree brigade mean it as a promotion, compliment, or what. But I'll certainly accept it as so - & gladly. And wear the euro-bashers' emblem with pride.

'Euro-bashers of the World, Unite!'

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#7 Posted : 24 November 2012 08:43:50(UTC)
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The NYT piece is atrocious. It manages, in such a small space, to re-cycle just about every crappy europhile argument I have ever come across. My personal favourite being that our trade within the block would cease upon leaving. Then again, judging from the comments (closed now), they aimed it well.

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[curious editorial] which rather proves the point that, as we should avoid pontificating about US politics, Americans should avoid dabbling in ours.
Couldn't agree more.
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#8 Posted : 24 November 2012 09:19:04(UTC)
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I know this is off topic but it is in a lot of the media today; also linked to what Booker has been on about (social workers and taking children away). If this story is true then I feel for the people of Rotherham if they have to put up with a council like this.

http://news.sky.com/stor...r-three-foster-children

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120

http://www.dailymail.co....couple-joined-Ukip.html

Is this just social workers being social workers or a bigger agenda?
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#9 Posted : 24 November 2012 09:28:03(UTC)
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I know this is off topic but it is in a lot of the media today; also linked to what Booker has been on about (social workers and taking children away). If this story is true then I feel for the people of Rotherham if they have to put up with a council like this.

http://news.sky.com/stor...r-three-foster-children

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120

http://www.dailymail.co....couple-joined-Ukip.html

Is this just social workers being social workers or a bigger agenda?


I just seen a Rotherham councillor (I think) getting a hard time over this from Louise Minchin on the BBC (hard as it is believe) She didn't give very convincing arguments, and even said, they were not allowed to ask people about political parties when adopting but in this case they had to take it into consideration. Unbelievable.
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#10 Posted : 24 November 2012 10:18:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: thespecialone Go to Quoted Post
I know this is off topic but it is in a lot of the media today; also linked to what Booker has been on about (social workers and taking children away). If this story is true then I feel for the people of Rotherham if they have to put up with a council like this.

http://news.sky.com/stor...r-three-foster-children

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120

http://www.dailymail.co....couple-joined-Ukip.html

Is this just social workers being social workers or a bigger agenda?


I just seen a Rotherham councillor (I think) getting a hard time over this from Louise Minchin on the BBC (hard as it is believe) She didn't give very convincing arguments, and even said, they were not allowed to ask people about political parties when adopting but in this case they had to take it into consideration. Unbelievable.


If the BBC are castigating a Labour councillor from Rotherham then you know that Rotherham council are going to have to do a lot of grovelling. I gather that Labour leadership are not happy either (on the surface at least).
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#11 Posted : 24 November 2012 11:12:03(UTC)
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I know this is off topic but it is in a lot of the media today; also linked to what Booker has been on about (social workers and taking children away). If this story is true then I feel for the people of Rotherham if they have to put up with a council like this.

http://news.sky.com/stor...r-three-foster-children

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120

http://www.dailymail.co....couple-joined-Ukip.html

Is this just social workers being social workers or a bigger agenda?


I just seen a Rotherham councillor (I think) getting a hard time over this from Louise Minchin on the BBC (hard as it is believe) She didn't give very convincing arguments, and even said, they were not allowed to ask people about political parties when adopting but in this case they had to take it into consideration. Unbelievable.


If the BBC are castigating a Labour councillor from Rotherham then you know that Rotherham council are going to have to do a lot of grovelling. I gather that Labour leadership are not happy either (on the surface at least).


just another example in a "long train of abuses and usurpations" of the State and its willingness to use coercion and force for compliance with it's will.......and to crush any dissent.


watch out watch out....fellow Harrogaters'!
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#12 Posted : 24 November 2012 13:00:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AndyBaxter Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: thespecialone Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TheBoilingFrog Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: thespecialone Go to Quoted Post
I know this is off topic but it is in a lot of the media today; also linked to what Booker has been on about (social workers and taking children away). If this story is true then I feel for the people of Rotherham if they have to put up with a council like this.

http://news.sky.com/stor...r-three-foster-children

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120

http://www.dailymail.co....couple-joined-Ukip.html

Is this just social workers being social workers or a bigger agenda?


I just seen a Rotherham councillor (I think) getting a hard time over this from Louise Minchin on the BBC (hard as it is believe) She didn't give very convincing arguments, and even said, they were not allowed to ask people about political parties when adopting but in this case they had to take it into consideration. Unbelievable.


If the BBC are castigating a Labour councillor from Rotherham then you know that Rotherham council are going to have to do a lot of grovelling. I gather that Labour leadership are not happy either (on the surface at least).


just another example in a "long train of abuses and usurpations" of the State and its willingness to use coercion and force for compliance with it's will.......and to crush any dissent.


watch out watch out....fellow Harrogaters'!






BigGrin Just for once, I thought Rotherham Council behaved impeccably ...

http://www.eureferendum....gview.aspx?blogno=83364

You just can't be too careful when vulnerable children are concerned!



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#13 Posted : 24 November 2012 13:08:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: AndyBaxter Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: thespecialone Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TheBoilingFrog Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: thespecialone Go to Quoted Post
I know this is off topic but it is in a lot of the media today; also linked to what Booker has been on about (social workers and taking children away). If this story is true then I feel for the people of Rotherham if they have to put up with a council like this.

http://news.sky.com/stor...r-three-foster-children

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120

http://www.dailymail.co....couple-joined-Ukip.html

Is this just social workers being social workers or a bigger agenda?


I just seen a Rotherham councillor (I think) getting a hard time over this from Louise Minchin on the BBC (hard as it is believe) She didn't give very convincing arguments, and even said, they were not allowed to ask people about political parties when adopting but in this case they had to take it into consideration. Unbelievable.


If the BBC are castigating a Labour councillor from Rotherham then you know that Rotherham council are going to have to do a lot of grovelling. I gather that Labour leadership are not happy either (on the surface at least).


just another example in a "long train of abuses and usurpations" of the State and its willingness to use coercion and force for compliance with it's will.......and to crush any dissent.


watch out watch out....fellow Harrogaters'!






BigGrin Just for once, I thought Rotherham Council behaved impeccably ...

http://www.eureferendum....gview.aspx?blogno=83364

You just can't be too careful when vulnerable children are concerned!



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I'm loving the irony that Rotherham Council are basically saying it's ok for UKippers to only foster white children
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#14 Posted : 24 November 2012 16:04:17(UTC)
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I'm loving the irony that Rotherham Council are basically saying it's ok for UKippers to only foster white children



Worse, only indigenous white British children. I wonder they didn't go the whole hog and use the word "Aryan". "Apartheid" comes to mind as well.

They must have interesting views on multiculturalism.

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