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#1 Posted : 23 November 2012 12:49:33(UTC)
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Trust me on this one – there will be no weeping and gnashing of teeth in the streets of Bradford with the news that the Financial Times Germany (FTD) is to cease production, with the loss of 320 jobs.

However, despite the indifference of the denizens of my adoptive home town, this is a significant event – another milestone in the decline and fall of the newspaper industry which is happening on a global scale.

What makes this especially interesting, though, is the analysis by Spiegel which hastens to assert that the entire blame cannot placed at the door of the internet.

View full article here


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#2 Posted : 23 November 2012 13:50:29(UTC)
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I would fully go along with the 'crap product' theory. I have for many years collected newspapers on significant dates out of silly sentimental reasons. But it's now rather intriguing going back to read them and see how things have changed. One obvious change is the amount of space now used for advertising instead of news - it's colossal. I still buy the Telegraph on a Saturday partly because I like doing the crossword; I find it much easier on paper than online to complete. Yet grrr...despite having been on the back page for decades the Telegraph now choose to use the whole page for adverts (usually for iphones) - tucking said crossword away inside. Mad
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#3 Posted : 23 November 2012 14:43:16(UTC)
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Yes a happy troupe, the media revue bar strumpets all - bumping and grinding along on the bottom.

The sales go down and the reportage goes the same way. Newspapers, its journalists cut from the same cloth as the figures they always write about - same old, same old. The print media circus, is ably and stoutly assisted by its sisters and brothers in world of TV land, where everyone is paid extraordinary amounts of money to mouth platitudinous drivel - auto-cutie world loves the fourth estate and so it goes, if you don't ask, you'll never hear what you don't want to hear.

Heads in the sand lads and lasses and they still get paid?
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#4 Posted : 23 November 2012 16:07:58(UTC)
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Off topic, I know, But The Commentator is making a call for anyone concerned at the BBC pro-EU bias to put a complaint in over some recent coverage.

Now might be a slightly more receptive time to complain about this bias? I think it's worth a go...
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#5 Posted : 23 November 2012 16:40:40(UTC)
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I'd put this down to the Germans haveing good taste.

The FT has to be the worst financial paper on the planet, all their staff are if nor hard line commies then soft ones, they hate everything to do with money and the makeing of it and it shows.

They have also been an indefatigable supporter of the EU and all it's insanities, it is perhaps a sign of the times that they are doing so badly, just like their beloved EU.
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#6 Posted : 23 November 2012 17:03:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: F U Fed Up Go to Quoted Post
I'd put this down to the Germans haveing good taste.

The FT has to be the worst financial paper on the planet, all their staff are if nor hard line commies then soft ones, they hate everything to do with money and the makeing of it and it shows.

They have also been an indefatigable supporter of the EU and all it's insanities, it is perhaps a sign of the times that they are doing so badly, just like their beloved EU.






Hasslesplatt is also losing money, I am told ... but has deeper pockets!

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#7 Posted : 23 November 2012 17:21:22(UTC)
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Bit ironic that a financial newspaper should go kaput, innit. Shows what they know! Flapper
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#8 Posted : 23 November 2012 17:47:25(UTC)
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They do blame the internet.

(I have said this before on this forum so apologies.)

I stopped buying a newspaper around 1997, when the internet was still in its infancy and I was still three years away from owning a computer. I remember distinctly that it was because of the increasingly bad journalism.

I didn't start reading them again until about 2007 because political blogs link to them, and because you can now comment on the articles. I still won't pay for a copy though.

I think there is a workable business model, a daily news website with a companion weekly news magazine. I understand that some local newspapers have already gone weekly. I think the daily newspaper is dead.
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#9 Posted : 23 November 2012 17:58:33(UTC)
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I have a bottle of champagne in the fridge for the day the Guardian goes out of businessBigGrin
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#10 Posted : 23 November 2012 18:12:34(UTC)
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I have a bottle of champagne in the fridge for the day the Guardian goes out of businessBigGrin


You may well be drinking it sooner than you think!

I buy the Telegraph every day, as I have done for years. It's a very pale shadow of what it was in past times. Mrs Panda and I concentrate on the crossword (comments of a previous poster noted and agreed with.)
The sheer banality of the analysis, the amount of advertising and the incorporation of the 'Middleton Times' reduce it to the level of a toilet roll, yet, I still continue to buy it.

A message there maybe.

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#11 Posted : 23 November 2012 23:50:38(UTC)
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OT: Telegraph Crossword

That was my main port of call as well, that and the one in The Times. Only then would I read the news. But I haven't done a crossword in years. I can't remember the last time — because I can't remember the last time I bought a newspaper.

What I liked best about them is the occasional sheer delight in the surprise one gets when the answer comes magically with no conscious effort, as if one had nothing whatsoever to do with it. "Where TF did come from?!" Only then does one check to see if it makes full sense and fits the bill exactly. It's a great feeling. I love it.

Then there was an occasion on holiday once where I spent a couple of hours on one in The Times getting nowhere while I was a passenger in the back seat of a friend's car in France — nothing. I tried again later in the day for maybe 15 or 20 minutes — again nothing. (I have to add that this was highly unusual.) I forgot about it after that but noticed it in the pile of papers about a couple of days later. I glanced at it intending only to throw it away. Then it all came out in a great rush — the whole thing. Bang bang bang. Just like that. Done. Wow! That was really satisfying!

I do miss them though. Hey, I think I'll go and search one out now for a nice bit of displacement activity. Y'know, take a break from all the intense hating I've been busy doing lately. It's not easy being a full-time hater. Sometimes I feel sorry for myself and that my attempts to improve my hating skills are under-appreciated.

Which reminds me: I cannot for the life of me understand what would prompt anyone to construct a sentence juxtaposing the phrase "feel sorry for" with the word "Cameron". I'd be only too happy to read that he was dead, preferably by the hand of an ordinary Englishman who'd had enough of his shit, and that he got away with it.

But back to crosswords. In the sixties, the one in The Times was full of a certain kind of clue you don't see these days, Dank sei Gott. [Gesundheit!] That was the literary quotation type, almost invariably from Shakespeare IIRC. Typically you had to supply the missing word. A useless, stupid sort of clue. You either knew it or you didn't. If you didn't then all you could do was attempt a pretty much context-free wild guess which turned the thing into something down at the level of throwing dice with nothing to work on. I'm sure the arty-farty literary types "reading English at Kings" loved them, but they were useless for us plumbers reading proper subjects. Actually, very much just like University Challenge was when that nice Bamber Gascoigne was running it — a total waste of time. Most of the time you couldn't answer even a single question if you were a typical hard-sciences type and pursued healthy outdoor physical activities for relaxation rather than going pasty-faced in spending hours at the life-dissipating non-activity involved in boning up on effete literary junk. (Ha ha! Just teasing — not all of it is that bad.) It's much better and far more balanced these days with Paxman, but he wouldn't have had anything to do with that as he's a farty himself. Hey, I have a confession: I actually like Paxman! Yes, it's true. I don't really understand it myself. But he can still be an extremely irritating, pushy, lightweight smugoid a lot of the time. I'm surprised no one has thumped him yet.

But back to crosswords again. I got a clue wrong once.

Yeah, really, I did. :)
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#12 Posted : 24 November 2012 03:07:53(UTC)
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A Facebook friend posted a photo of comments made by Roland Tichy, editor-in-chief of Wirtschaftswoche. I couldn't find it online so I transcribed and translated:

Quote:
Was hat die Branche falsch gemacht?

Zu viele deutsche Media sind zu rot-grünen Umerziehungslagern verkommen. Wer Fleisch isst, versaut das Weltklima. Beamte wissen besser als du selbst, was für dich gut ist. Die Steruern müssen rauf, die Kinder in die Krippe, denn Eltern schaden ihren Säuglingen wie sonst nur das Rauchen ihrer Gesundheit
. Bitte nicht vergessen: Der Rhein-Tsunami bedroht deutsche Kernkraftwerke, Obama ist Gott, und wer gegen die Frauenquote ist, schändet auch Migranten am Arbeitsplatz. Viele Journalisten haben den Kontakt zur Lebenswirklichkeit verloren. Deswegen will man deren Phantasmorgasmen nicht mehr lesen.


Half-arsed translation:
Quote:
What the industry has done wrong?

Too many German media have been reduced to red-green re-education camps. He who eats meat, despoils world climate. Officials know better than you, what is good for you. Taxes must be increase, children must be sent to créche, because parents harm their babies as much as smoking does their health. Please don’t forget: The Rhine-tsunami threatened German nuclear power plants, Obama is God and he who is against the quota of women, also abuses migrants in the workplace. Many journalists have lost touch with the reality of life. That’s why people won’t read their fantasy orgasms.
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#13 Posted : 24 November 2012 15:55:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: techno Go to Quoted Post

I think there is a workable business model, a daily news website with a companion weekly news magazine. I understand that some local newspapers have already gone weekly. I think the daily newspaper is dead.


Most of them seem to be adult comics and they've been going that way for years, well before the interweb. Radio and then television must have dented their news market. Pages and pages of sport, celebrity drivel about people who are famous for being famous, pages and pages of health related tripe. Even the broadsheets are full of celebrity guff and health blather.

I'd guess that a few will continue as comics for a long time.

There's been a definite skimpiness in the news content, regurgitating stories with no investigation, topping and tailing press releases.

Local newspapers went through a big transformation when the free ad rags came out in the 70s.

The internet was a disruptive technology the newspapers never knew quite what to make of. Ignore it, drop the print edition, go behind a paywall, try to make money from advertising.
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#14 Posted : 24 November 2012 17:42:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: berfel Go to Quoted Post
A Facebook friend posted a photo of comments made by Roland Tichy, editor-in-chief of Wirtschaftswoche. I couldn't find it online so I transcribed and translated:

Quote:
Was hat die Branche falsch gemacht?

Zu viele deutsche Media sind zu rot-grünen Umerziehungslagern verkommen. Wer Fleisch isst, versaut das Weltklima. Beamte wissen besser als du selbst, was für dich gut ist. Die Steruern müssen rauf, die Kinder in die Krippe, denn Eltern schaden ihren Säuglingen wie sonst nur das Rauchen ihrer Gesundheit
. Bitte nicht vergessen: Der Rhein-Tsunami bedroht deutsche Kernkraftwerke, Obama ist Gott, und wer gegen die Frauenquote ist, schändet auch Migranten am Arbeitsplatz. Viele Journalisten haben den Kontakt zur Lebenswirklichkeit verloren. Deswegen will man deren Phantasmorgasmen nicht mehr lesen.


Half-arsed translation:
Quote:
What the industry has done wrong?

Too many German media have been reduced to red-green re-education camps. He who eats meat, despoils world climate. Officials know better than you, what is good for you. Taxes must be increase, children must be sent to créche, because parents harm their babies as much as smoking does their health. Please don’t forget: The Rhine-tsunami threatened German nuclear power plants, Obama is God and he who is against the quota of women, also abuses migrants in the workplace. Many journalists have lost touch with the reality of life. That’s why people won’t read their fantasy orgasms.



Thanks for that ... as commentary goes, that certainly has the ring of truth.

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