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richard
#1 Posted : 21 November 2012 22:27:32(UTC)
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"I have yet to see", writes The Great Peter Oborne, "any serious and coherent analysis of what a renunciation of British membership of the European Union would mean in practice".

But if that really is the case, it can either because he hasn't been looking, or for a more fundamental reason, one that actually prevents daylight getting anywhere near his face.

Whatever the reason, Oborne exhibits the classic, small-minded arrogance of the legacy media, so typical of the Failygraph which assumes that, if they haven't discovered it, it doesn't exist.

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#2 Posted : 21 November 2012 22:37:00(UTC)
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Doesn't get out much does he?
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#3 Posted : 21 November 2012 22:43:47(UTC)
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Doesn't get out much does he?





The size of his ego, it is a wonder that he can get through doors.
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#4 Posted : 21 November 2012 23:31:06(UTC)
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Fifth column has been pretty much standard practice for the Fourth Estate for quite some time now. On BOTH sides of the Pond.
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#5 Posted : 21 November 2012 23:36:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mmatis Go to Quoted Post
Fifth column has been pretty much standard practice for the Fourth Estate for quite some time now. On BOTH sides of the Pond.



Yeah, but they're stealing our clothes as well.
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#6 Posted : 21 November 2012 23:40:47(UTC)
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Be careful! Reading Oborne AND Garton-Ash could make a man ill.
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#7 Posted : 21 November 2012 23:52:36(UTC)
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Be careful! Reading Oborne AND Garton-Ash could make a man ill.




They should marry?
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#8 Posted : 22 November 2012 00:08:36(UTC)
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Oborne's getting a real drubbing in the comments section. BigGrin
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#9 Posted : 22 November 2012 00:14:40(UTC)
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Oborne and Garton Ash share a common pisspot and it doubles as a drinking vessel.
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#10 Posted : 22 November 2012 00:48:07(UTC)
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Boudicca, [a commenter who speaks a lot of sense] makes the observation on DT - Oborne's blog post comments section - something I've pondered for the past few weeks - though not much admittedly because Oborne is the least of our and my problems - but Boudicca has voiced my thoughts - for a long time Oborne was vehemently EUphobic - what, or who has turned him?
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#11 Posted : 22 November 2012 00:57:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jaguar driver Go to Quoted Post
Oborne's getting a real drubbing in the comments section. BigGrin




BigGrin BigGrin Put a couple there myself ... Failygraph loves it!!!
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#12 Posted : 22 November 2012 08:17:57(UTC)
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The same Oborne who wobbled on about the Guilty Men?
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#13 Posted : 22 November 2012 09:30:07(UTC)
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The same Oborne who wobbled on about the Guilty Men?



BigGrin The very same!
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#14 Posted : 22 November 2012 10:15:43(UTC)
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I put up a comment last night taking Oborne's 'eurosceptic' label and defining it for him. That is to say they all bitch like buggery about the EU, loss of sovereignty, daft and stupid rules emanating from that cesspit, and pointing out that re-negotiation of terms and the return of powers that should never have been given away so lightly, but that essentially they STILL want to be in the EU etc, but it has disappeared. I did savage Oborne ruthlessly, which is probably why the mods binned it.

Truth hurts apparently.

As boudicca says - Oborne's been 'got at'

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#15 Posted : 22 November 2012 12:22:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
Oborne and Garton Ash share a common pisspot and it doubles as a drinking vessel.

You may be right there, but if so it would be their pisspot and your drinking vessel. Or do you suppose they and the rest of your Betters would tolerate it any other way?
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#16 Posted : 22 November 2012 12:57:39(UTC)
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The Failygraph is the Tory house paper, if the Tories went seriously sceptic so would Oborne and the paper. As it stands they are both caught in no-wheresville, which is where the Tories are.
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#17 Posted : 22 November 2012 15:44:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: F U Fed Up Go to Quoted Post
The Failygraph is the Tory house paper, if the Tories went seriously sceptic so would Oborne and the paper. As it stands they are both caught in no-wheresville, which is where the Tories are.



You are probably right there ... the one reflects the other ... both pretend to be eurosceptic, without going the whole way.
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#18 Posted : 22 November 2012 18:09:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Go to Quoted Post
Boudicca, [a commenter who speaks a lot of sense] makes the observation on DT - Oborne's blog post comments section - something I've pondered for the past few weeks - though not much admittedly because Oborne is the least of our and my problems - but Boudicca has voiced my thoughts - for a long time Oborne was vehemently EUphobic - what, or who has turned him?


I agree, he has been turned.
I remember years ago bring so impressed by one of his anti-EU articles in the Daily Mail that I actually cut it out and kept it.
Also, but I may be wrong, I think he did a television program that was about the EU that was in a similar vein.

So, something or someone has got at him.
But it could be just as Dr North says above.
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#19 Posted : 22 November 2012 18:55:59(UTC)
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It does amaze me that the ST/DT employ people like Dellers and Booker who are clearly against what Cameron has done to the Tory party and people like Oborne and probably a lot of others who work there who do seem to say what the Tory party wants them to. What do they discuss over a beer or a glass of red when talking about the EU?
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#20 Posted : 22 November 2012 19:26:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: thespecialone Go to Quoted Post
It does amaze me that the ST/DT employ people like Dellers and Booker who are clearly against what Cameron has done to the Tory party and people like Oborne and probably a lot of others who work there who do seem to say what the Tory party wants them to. What do they discuss over a beer or a glass of red when talking about the EU?


I don't think it works quite like that, they also employ people like Mary Riddell.

I'd guess they have a general pro-Tory line and their journalists are more or less retained for the number of readers they interest, whether by pleasing or annoying them. The annoyers attract a lot of comments and page hits, but have to be watched.

That people like Oborne are serving their own agenda and are writing articles to angle for something or as a favour, can't be ruled out. Oborne probably has a lot of freedom in what he writes.
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