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#1 Posted : 19 November 2012 14:26:11(UTC)
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It is not entirely clear who gives Mr Cameron his political advice on this subject but it isn't very good. Ever since John Major launched his deregulation initiative in 1992, the whole idea has been seen as the province of a weak Prime Minister looking for cheap popularity, .

We saw the glimmerings of a deregulation campaign in October but now, with tedious predictability, Cameron is up in front of the CBI conference offering a pathetically trivial diet of cuts, which don't even begin to scratch the surface.

Always missing from these beanfests, though, is any reference to the EU, which is the primary producer of regulation affecting economic activity. Attempting to tackle "red tape" without tackling the EU is like trying to put out a fire in a dustbin while ignoring the raging fire in the house alongside.

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#2 Posted : 19 November 2012 15:15:09(UTC)
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Let's ignore Cameron for a moment, or longer if you wish, my question is why do the CBI go along with this? To answer my own question I can only think they are equally as stupid as our PM.
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#3 Posted : 19 November 2012 15:34:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: In2minds Go to Quoted Post
Let's ignore Cameron for a moment, or longer if you wish, my question is why do the CBI go along with this? To answer my own question I can only think they are equally as stupid as our PM.


Always a very weird organisation, the CBI ... but they will not have any control over what Cameron says to them. My guess is that Cameron saw this as an opportunity to launch (or re-invigorate) his deregulation campaign. What makes me wonder, therefore, is why Cameron thinks the CBI is an appropriate place for such an issue. This organisation is pro-EU and pro-regulation.

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#4 Posted : 19 November 2012 15:50:04(UTC)
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"Getting rid of red tape" and "Having a bonfire of the QUANGOs", sounds pretty good, and indeed it would be pretty good, but you can't get rid of the QUANGOs or the red tape, unless you remove the functions of government which they support, which is far easier said than done, especially as much of it comes from the EU, or comes through the EU.

There are two theories of tidying up; throw out the rubbish and rearrange what's left; move the rubbish from one place to another and make it look prettier. I don't see Cameron doing much more than moving the rubbish from one place to another, if this even progresses from a worthy declaration.
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Who does Cameron have in mind for the Churchill role? Clearly he can't do it - he'll be too busy playing Chamberlain in Brussels.
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#6 Posted : 19 November 2012 17:00:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: comet Go to Quoted Post
"Getting rid of red tape" and "Having a bonfire of the QUANGOs", sounds pretty good, and indeed it would be pretty good, but you can't get rid of the QUANGOs or the red tape, unless you remove the functions of government which they support, which is far easier said than done, especially as much of it comes from the EU, or comes through the EU.

There are two theories of tidying up; throw out the rubbish and rearrange what's left; move the rubbish from one place to another and make it look prettier. I don't see Cameron doing much more than moving the rubbish from one place to another, if this even progresses from a worthy declaration.




This is what puzzles me ... this is such transparent nonsense, one wonders why he bothers ... who he thinks he is impressing.

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#7 Posted : 19 November 2012 18:00:19(UTC)
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This is what puzzles me ... this is such transparent nonsense, one wonders why he bothers ... who he thinks he is impressing.



He's a politician and a politician in the modern mould. He has to have something to say which the audience wants to hear. Claptrap. It's just like Blair's Eye Catching Initiatives. No one's expected to analyse it and it's probably phrased in such a way as to disarm analysis, much like advertisements. He relies on short memories and moving on to the next exciting initiative.

No one takes it seriously, or thinks about it that much, much less expects any action, but they agree it's a worthy sentiment and it's soothing.

If he started saying, "There are numerous areas which are really none of the government's business and which it can't regulate effectively anyway. It will retreat from those areas. They are x, y and z", he'd cause something of a storm in a society where people seem to think "something must be done" and are comforted that the government takes action to ban this or that, or sets up a Czar or watchdog, or supervisory QUANGO. As for the EU, as said before, it's the elephant in the room and there's a general reluctance to trace things back to it. Much apart from being a thing the British government suffers, it's generally a thing it finds agreeable and useful. It doesn't ask for opt-outs it might and is very often keen to lead the way in implementing EU legislation.
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#8 Posted : 19 November 2012 18:58:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: In2minds Go to Quoted Post
Let's ignore Cameron for a moment, or longer if you wish, my question is why do the CBI go along with this? To answer my own question I can only think they are equally as stupid as our PM.


Always a very weird organisation, the CBI ... but they will not have any control over what Cameron says to them. My guess is that Cameron saw this as an opportunity to launch (or re-invigorate) his deregulation campaign. What makes me wonder, therefore, is why Cameron thinks the CBI is an appropriate place for such an issue. This organisation is pro-EU and pro-regulation.



The CBI President - Sir Roger Carr

"Throughout his career he has served on a number of external committees including the Manufacturing Council of the CBI, The Higgs Committee on Corporate Governance and Business for New Europe. He is a fellow of the Royal Society for the encouragement of the Arts, Manufacturers & Commerce and is a Companion of the Institute of Management."

So he is on the Higgs Committee on Corporate Governance and Business for New Europe. - Translated as Europhile?



Neil Bentley - Deputy Director-General Chief Operating Officer

Neil joined the CBI in 2002, since when he has been a policy director and successfully led the CBI’s first climate change campaign, as well as campaigns and lobbying on infrastructure development, energy – which led to the 2011 Electricity Market Reform White Paper.

Neil is Deputy Chairman of Stonewall, the charity that promotes equality for lesbian, gay and bisexual people.

Neil sits on the government’s Green Economy Council and between 2008-2012 was a non-executive director of the Carbon Trust, a not-for-profit company providing specialist support to help businesses boost returns by cutting carbon emissions.

Neil also sits on the Executive Committee of Business Europe, the pan-European business lobby organisation.

Before joining the CBI, Neil worked at IT services company EDS, where he was the HR lead on a series of global and European outsourcing deals, and advised on employee and trade union relations across the EMEA region.

Neil's doctorate is in German industrial relations and racism in the workplace and his first degree was in French, German and European Politics.

Katja Hall - Chief Policy Director

She also lobbied for a better result for business on the immigration cap and the Bribery Act. Katja also led the CBI's European campaigns to protect the working time opt-out and to make the case for labour market flexibility.

Prior to joining the CBI, Katja worked at the BBC on employee relations, change management and reward.

Rhian Chilcott - International Director

Before joining the CBI, Rhian ran a pressure group that campaigned for more women in politics and public life. She has also worked as a lobbyist in Brussels.....

Rhian Kelly - Director for Business Environment.

Appointed Director for Business Environment in 2011, Rhian spearheads the CBI's campaign to boost investment in the UK's infrastructure, grow the low-carbon economy and ensure the resilience of the construction industry.

After joining the CBI in 2006, Rhian delivered the CBI's ground breaking report on climate change in 2007, which helped shift the perception of the role business can play in moving to a low-carbon economy. Rhian became head of Climate Change in 2008.

And another link for our Rhian - http://www.businessgreen...udget-low-carbon-economy

There you have it. A selection of senior management of the CBI. Only business they are interested in is the corporates and stuff the little man. Plenty of evidence, I reckon, of anti-business.

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#9 Posted : 19 November 2012 19:15:37(UTC)
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Another CBI website about anti-business

http://www.cbi.org.uk/bu...ergy-and-climate-change/

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#10 Posted : 19 November 2012 19:46:05(UTC)
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So Cameron will "streamline" European legislation,just like that.

Then gives an example of how he saved microbusinesses some probably very restrictive legistaltion,wel hoo- bloody-ray.Why do we have to have all this regulation anyway?if its is bad for the smaller businesses it must be bad for bigger ones too...unless, as you say they are the ones wanting the regulations....acts as a nice barrier to new businesses entering the market...take banking for example....very difficult to open a new bank...though that is exactly what we need to happen...but will it happen?.....will it buggery.



Absolute guff from beginning to end.




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#11 Posted : 19 November 2012 20:12:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vincent Go to Quoted Post
So Cameron will "streamline" European legislation,just like that.

Then gives an example of how he saved microbusinesses some probably very restrictive legistaltion,wel hoo- bloody-ray.Why do we have to have all this regulation anyway?if its is bad for the smaller businesses it must be bad for bigger ones too...unless, as you say they are the ones wanting the regulations....acts as a nice barrier to new businesses entering the market...take banking for example....very difficult to open a new bank...though that is exactly what we need to happen...but will it happen?.....will it buggery.



Absolute guff from beginning to end.






You don't understand how big business operates. Big business loves regulation - they have the resources to deal with the costs and the intricacies of conforming to the rules - their smaller competitors may not. It keeps the playing field tilted in favour of the big players.
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#12 Posted : 19 November 2012 20:37:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jackanori Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: vincent Go to Quoted Post
So Cameron will "streamline" European legislation,just like that.

Then gives an example of how he saved microbusinesses some probably very restrictive legistaltion,wel hoo- bloody-ray.Why do we have to have all this regulation anyway?if its is bad for the smaller businesses it must be bad for bigger ones too...unless, as you say they are the ones wanting the regulations....acts as a nice barrier to new businesses entering the market...take banking for example....very difficult to open a new bank...though that is exactly what we need to happen...but will it happen?.....will it buggery.



Absolute guff from beginning to end.






You don't understand how big business operates. Big business loves regulation - they have the resources to deal with the costs and the intricacies of conforming to the rules - their smaller competitors may not. It keeps the playing field tilted in favour of the big players.


I am actually in agreement with you.
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#13 Posted : 19 November 2012 21:30:25(UTC)
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I am of the opinion it is all meant as further distraction of the type we have seen displayed for years. It is an attempt to make us not believe anything we hear reported. So I think there may be something in that old Mayan prophecy for 21st December.Mad

At first I thought it might be a comet, but now perhaps it is one of those orphan planets with no star, wandering the galaxy until it bumps into something.OhMyGod Oh no. This level of distraction suggests something far worse. It is a wandering planet headed straight for us ... from the other side of the sun. Waaarg!Scared Not only will it act like an apple decorer on a stella scale, it will propel a giant blob of burning plasma and helium fusion in our direction, which will rain down like hell-fire. The Carrington Event will be like the butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon. This must be true as 21st December is a Friday, so it will ruin everyone's weekend, but at least the washing will dry, sort of.

Just when you think you may witness a star with an 'ole through the middle (a donut star, mmmmDrool ), in our own solar system no less, you can bet the EU go and pass a law to regulate the hell out of it, causing the planet to wander off to more favourable climes. Bastards!ThumbDown Cursing

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#14 Posted : 20 November 2012 11:38:13(UTC)
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The Green Tosser opens idiot gob........spews bollocks......what's new???
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#15 Posted : 20 November 2012 12:24:49(UTC)
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" Too much of the political rhetoric relies on the premise that regulation is necessarily a bad thing, to be avoided."
I was rather under the impression that the opposite was the case; That the politicos regarded regulation to be a good thing. I am however in agreement that regulation introduced does need to be enforceable in a practical way.

But what we have, is sticking plasters being used to treat Gangrene. Eventually the whole limb will have to be removed to save the rest.
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