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richard		#1 Posted : 15 November 2012 23:52:01(UTC)
Rank: Administration Groups: Registered, Administrators Joined: 16/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,040 Location: Bradford Thanks: 97 times Was thanked: 306 time(s) in 255 post(s)		No sooner had the EU annual budget talks collapsed then up popped Van Rompuy with a proposal for the multi-annual budget, confusing the issues even more than they have been. This was a compromise draft multi-annual budget, "aiming to mollify Britain which wants spending cuts but risking angering France by reducing farm subsidies". The draft would reduce the roughly 1 trillion euro budget for 2014-2020 proposed by the European Commission by about €80 billion euros, ready for the discussions on 22-23 November. At the time, we were told that the proposal safeguarded the British rebate, which predictable meant that the French would reject it – which it did. Jean-Marc Ayrault, the French prime minister, objected to deep cuts to agriculture spending, and also "expressed displeasure" with proposed reductions in cohesion funds. View full article here
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Ravenscar		#2 Posted : 16 November 2012 00:34:11(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 924 Location: The North Thanks: 113 times Was thanked: 136 time(s) in 91 post(s)		Ah the whiff of the paysan de campagne - peasants rool OK. Quote: which predictable meant that the French would reject it – which it did. Quelle surprise?! Then...... Quote: Ayrault, however, pledged that France would "continue to work in a constructive manner When have they - our friends in Paris ever worked with Britain and involving the CAP, EU and economics - constructively - it ain't effin possible. They, the Frogs would rather eat Jersey cow merde washed down with Joseph Bazalgette's special water. Ah God, why do we bother trying to negotiate aught with those pernicious polarised bespectacled twats - the French. Ever since 1972: they've been taking the pi99 and laughing all the way up the Champs Elysees and milking us for all we are worth.


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mmatis		#3 Posted : 16 November 2012 01:51:22(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 433 Location: Cocoa, Florida Thanks: 84 times Was thanked: 36 time(s) in 27 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Ah the whiff of the paysan de campagne - peasants rool OK. Quote: which predictable meant that the French would reject it – which it did. Quelle surprise?! Then...... Quote: Ayrault, however, pledged that France would "continue to work in a constructive manner When have they - our friends in Paris ever worked with Britain and involving the CAP, EU and economics - constructively - it ain't effin possible. They, the Frogs would rather eat Jersey cow merde washed down with Joseph Bazalgette's special water. Ah God, why do we bother trying to negotiate aught with those pernicious polarised bespectacled twats - the French. Ever since 1972: they've been taking the pi99 and laughing all the way up the Champs Elysees and milking us for all we are worth. And your "Leaders" have been quite fine with that, have they not?

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Ravenscar		#4 Posted : 16 November 2012 07:35:27(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 924 Location: The North Thanks: 113 times Was thanked: 136 time(s) in 91 post(s)		Quote: And your "Leaders" have been quite fine with that, have they not? Aye mmatis, not sure when the FCO went 'native' sometime post 1945. The remainder of the administration and establishment; incrementally since 45, big date 54 when the Bilderbergers got together, and somewhere betwixt 1951-57 when Irony and Spiel totalitarianism was cobbled up....................... but YES - our 'Leaders' have been pro Europe and anti Britain ever since we 'won' the war.


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Julian Williams		#5 Posted : 16 November 2012 08:50:00(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 24/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Pembrokeshire Thanks: 3 times Was thanked: 5 time(s) in 5 post(s)		The say UKIP have done well in the by elections, putting pressure on Cameron to show more anti-EU credentials - so giving away more rebate to satisfy the French is going to be a tall order. I thought Blair gave way half the rebate on the promise that France would be more responsive on the reform of the CAP.


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comet		#6 Posted : 16 November 2012 13:00:06(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 20/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 617 Location: gloucestershire Thanks: 4 times Was thanked: 66 time(s) in 54 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Ravenscar Aye mmatis, not sure when the FCO went 'native' sometime post 1945. The remainder of the administration and establishment; incrementally since 45, big date 54 when the Bilderbergers got together, and somewhere betwixt 1951-57 when Irony and Spiel totalitarianism was cobbled up....................... but YES - our 'Leaders' have been pro Europe and anti Britain ever since we 'won' the war. I'd say the centralisation which took place in the Second World War was a step towards that. Before the war, the establishment was conservative, after the war it had become noticeably more centrist and left-liberal. Also the loss of empire and the lack of faith in Britain that created in them coupled with their need for Britain to have a "place in the world" and a "seat at the top table" were big factors in looking to "Europe". Note Cameron's horror recently that Britain could become like a Greater Switzerland. Most people's reaction was that it would be a thoroughly splendid thing.


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vincent		#7 Posted : 16 November 2012 17:05:09(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 925 Location: Sunderland Thanks: 76 times Was thanked: 31 time(s) in 28 post(s)		Talking of Ayrault,it seems war has been declared on Britain's behalf from an unlikely source....the normally pro EU Economist http://www.telegraph.co....r-sparks-French-ire.html Quote: Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault, who on Thursday travelled to Berlin to explain France's efforts to boost its declining international competitiveness to Chancellor Angela Merkel, also denounced the cover. "You are talking about a newspaper which is resorting to excess to sell paper. I can tell you that France is not at all impressed," he told French TV station late on Thursday.


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